The soap opera at HW continues.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Keep persuading yourself.

Persuade what? That the undisputed fight consistently hasn’t been delivered for the past 5 years.

That’s kind of the point of this thread dumbass.

You fanboys are so sad.

[tonysoprano]

Embarassing HW division, you can't compare any of this era to the greats of the past. Division died after Lennox, Tyson, Holy etc

[Mammoth]

Fury is embarrassing. Weird fanbase.

[BoxingParadigm]

Juggs is one of them AJ fanatics, he infamously proclaimed Joshua as the “GOAT” a few years back.

He’s just trying to use Fury-Usyk falling apart as way to misguide some credibility to Joshua.

Very weird guy.

Gotcha, appreciate the heads up. I personally don't think Fury is afraid of anyone, I just fear he may be leaning too far down the side of getting the most money for the least amount of risk. All fighters need to balance this, but it's never good when it comes at the expense of the best fights not getting made, or not getting made at the right time.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Gotcha, appreciate the heads up. I personally don't think Fury is afraid of anyone, I just fear he may be leaning too far down the side of getting the most money for the least amount of risk. All fighters need to balance this, but it's never good when it comes at the expense of the best fights not getting made, or not getting made at the right time.

Yeah it’s always risk vs reward. Fury never really fancied the Usyk fight IMO. I think he’s just gonna milk the UK fanbase as long as he can with these stadium fights against the Whyte’a and Chisora’s of the world.

I agree that no fighter is afraid of anyone, it’s all just business. Fury vs Usyk was always going to be unlikely in the UK. The money simply isn’t there over here. As soon as Fury failed to negotiate a deal with the Saudi’s this fight was in trouble.

[juggernaut666]

I think because he was contractually obligated to fight Wilder anyways. This way Wilder would have to earn the money, instead of receiving a mutlimilliom dollar paycheck for doing nothing. Additionally, Tyson doesn't like Wilder. This allowed him to beat up Wilder one more time and potentially spitefully not let Wilder have free money nor give him the chance to fight for undisputed.

But again, you made a good point and I'm just stating my opinion. I could be way off, but I genuinely think we were very close to getting an undisputed fight back then.

It doesn’t matter if he’s contractually obligated the fact Finkle said they were not interested in step aside money and were open to talks .

Wilder earning money doing nothing would have no bearing on Fury wanting an undisputed fight that’s nonsense as well .

Beating up Wilder a fourth time would happen if Fury can get away with it he even said who wouldn’t want a fourth Wilder fight during Usyk negotiations, another plane shot down there looking into how bad Fury actually wants legit fights fans want . Lol


No we weren’t close I’ll tell you how close you were right here , Bob Arum NEVER terminated the binding contract knowing that included the Wilder rematch clause and extended the existing stature of limitations on the contract needed to terminate Wilders rematch clause . He purposely knew this the entire time in the Wilder arbitration legal case . It’s why they never actually tried to get out of it and jumped right in a third fight ,while using Joshua’s name to promote that Wilder fight .

You do understand Fury was going to fight Charr and Chisora who he made a deal with before extending an offer to Joshua with time limits right ? Can you explain how this fight Joshua vs Fury almost happened after reading this post ? Lol

[GhostofDempsey]

There is also some blame to be placed on sanctioning bodies. Make Fury and Usyk mandatories for each of the belts. Strip them both if a fight isn't signed within one year of them holding those belts hostage. This is how it should be in all weight classes. Same should have happened to Crawford and Spence.

[deathofaclown]

I agree that no fighter is afraid of anyone, it’s all just business. Fury vs Usyk was always going to be unlikely in the UK. The money simply isn’t there over here. As soon as Fury failed to negotiate a deal with the Saudi’s this fight was in trouble.

That's probably a fair take

I said the other day that both teams know there's less money in the UK and they saw what the Saudis offered, even if Fury didn't make a deal, so It's hard to imagine either side is happy to fight in the UK on 5 weeks time for less money. It makes no sense.

I'd imagine if theres any chance they can make the fight, they would probably be looking at the middle east again.

Then again, we don't know what the Saudis offered but i imagine it was still good money.

It would be moronic for Fury to turn down a deal there to fight for less in the UK. And also for Usyk to take 30% in the UK.

That's why Usyk's team are making this rematch clause and split a deal breaker now if the fight is in the UK, they want two pay days to make up for all this. Can't blame them in a way.

[Marchegiano]

Heavyweights are big boys on the outside and little girls on the inside.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

That's probably a fair take

I said the other day that both teams know there's less money in the UK and they saw what the Saudis offered, even if Fury didn't make a deal, so It's hard to imagine either side is happy to fight in the UK on 5 weeks time for less money. It makes no sense.

I'd imagine if theres any chance they can make the fight, they would probably be looking at the middle east again.

Then again, we don't know what the Saudis offered but i imagine it was still good money.

It would be moronic for Fury to turn down a deal there to fight for less in the UK. And also for Usyk to take 30% in the UK.

That's why Usyk's team are making this rematch clause and split a deal breaker now if the fight is in the UK, they want two pay days to make up for all this. Can't blame them in a way.

I think another point people are missing is who was gonna put the money up? Frank ain’t paying £40-50m up front, are BT gonna pay £40-50m for a fight? BT only pay about £7.5m per EPL game, I doubt they’re gonna spend £50m on a fight. Especially when you’d need to do around 1.5m buys and a 10m gate just to recoup.

It never felt financially viable in the UK. Team Fury calling for 70/30 was an exit strategy and team Usyk were smart enough to call their bluff. Following the collapse of the Saudi deal, I genuinely don’t believe negotiations were ever that serious, you don’t negotiate multimillion pound deals through the media like these idiots have been doing the past few weeks.