Comments Thread For: Hearn Says Pacquiao-Benn Is 'Ready to Go', Just Depends on Opponent Selection

[IronDanHamza]

The fans can voice their disgust and not let Conor Benn slide so easily. That would matter.

Like you did with Canelo?

What the fans voice doesn't matter, its VADA that caught him, not UKAD.

If there's one thing the WBC are consistent with on this topic it's pulling baseless excuses out of thin air as to why a fighter failed a drug test and running with it.

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Like you did with Canelo?

What the fans voice doesn't matter, its VADA that caught him, not UKAD.

If there's one thing the WBC are consistent with on this topic it's pulling baseless excuses out of thin air as to why a fighter failed a drug test and running with it.

All I ever said was that Canelo’s explanation was plausible, not that it should let him off the hook.

Conor Benn’s explanation remains very unplausible. Yet he is not getting any official punishment.

Luckily the fans are killing him on social media with endless egg jokes so he’s a laughingstock. That’s some form of karma at least.

[IronDanHamza]

All I ever said was that Canelo’s explanation was plausible, not that it should let him off the hook.

Conor Benn’s explanation remains very unplausible. Yet he is not getting any official punishment.

Luckily the fans are killing him on social media with endless egg jokes so he’s a laughingstock. That’s some form of karma at least.

Except that's it's the opposite of plausible, and in actual fact a baseless claim.

I think the word you're looking for there is implausible, which again describes both Canelo's situation and Benn's.

And essentially that is what you're implying, that Canelo should be let off the hook for his ridiculous, baseless claims as to why he failed his test.

The fact of the matter is the WBC gave him an out with zero evidence to support it just like they attempted to for Benn, their "punishments" will be one and the same if it ever comes to that.

[FinitoxDinamita]

This is what separates Pacman from Floyd. Pac took some slack for facing that Korean bum DK Yoo but then he comes right back to face a young lion in Benn while Floyd be picking on civilians lol.

It's an intriguing fight...

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Except that's it's the opposite of plausible, and in actual fact a baseless claim.

I think the word you're looking for there is implausible, which again describes both Canelo's situation and Benn's.

And essentially that is what you're implying, that Canelo should be let off the hook for his ridiculous, baseless claims as to why he failed his test.

The fact of the matter is the WBC gave him an out with zero evidence to support it just like they attempted to for Benn, their "punishments" will be one and the same if it ever comes to that.

Naw, Canelo’s explanation is actually quite believable and the facts around his situation line up with what he claims. That doesn’t mean he should be let off the hook, though. And he wasn’t…the Nevada State Athletic Commission handed him a ban and he served it.

Benn’s explanation on the other hand is not very believable at all. Yet we’re still waiting for the BBBoC to do their job and punish him in some way. The fact that the WBC are corrupt clowns who gave an egg explanation that even Benn himself disagrees is just a sideshow.

[IronDanHamza]

Naw, Canelo’s explanation is actually quite believable and the facts around his situation line up with what he claims. That doesn’t mean he should be let off the hook, though. And he wasn’t…the Nevada State Athletic Commission handed him a ban and he served it.

Benn’s explanation on the other hand is not very believable at all. Yet we’re still waiting for the BBBoC to do their job and punish him in some way. The fact that the WBC are corrupt clowns who gave an egg explanation that even Benn himself disagrees is just a sideshow.

Facts You have no idea at all what a fact even is in this setting. You are still totally inept and clueless when it comes to how evidence and the burden of proof works. What would it take for you to grasp it? How can I explain to you that there is quite literally zero evidence that Canelo's failed test was due to tainted meat in a way that you'll understand?

The literal only difference between Canelo's situation and Benn's situation is Canelo grabbed the WBC's baseless and laughable "tainted meat" claim with both hands whereas at least Benn had enough about him to not run with their "get out of jail free" clause they offered him.

If anything, Canelo is the worse of the two in this situation.

[djtmal]

Manny isn’t even on the radar for Floyd fans. He hasn’t been since he took his L on

Yeah ok while there is nothing but Floyd boys in this thread, and last I checked Manny had his own fanbase who cares if Floyd boys ain't checking for him.

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Facts You have no idea at all what a fact even is in this setting. You are still totally inept and clueless when it comes to how evidence and the burden of proof works. What would it take for you to grasp it? How can I explain to you that there is quite literally zero evidence that Canelo's failed test was due to tainted meat in a way that you'll understand?

The literal only difference between Canelo's situation and Benn's situation is Canelo grabbed the WBC's baseless and laughable "tainted meat" claim with both hands whereas at least Benn had enough about him to not run with their "get out of jail free" clause they offered him.

If anything, Canelo is the worse of the two in this situation.

-Clenbuterol is widely used in the cattle industry in Mexico
-Canelo was seen eating steak at Sonora Grill in the company of Bill Clinton and others in the days leading up to his positive test
-Canelo named several other restaurants he had eaten at and had receipts
-The amounts Canelo tested positive for were consistent with eating tainted meat
-Canelo did a hair follicle test, the results there were consistent with his story as well

So could the reason he tested positive be just like he said? Yeah. It’s plausible. There is enough supporting evidence to find his story believable.

Conor Benn on the other hand?
-Clomiphene is not allowed for egg production in the UK
-Benn hasn’t said what country he “imported” the eggs from ( ) nor who his specific supplier was
-Benn gave an interview listing what he was eating during training camp, he said he only ate eggs occasionally. Not in the elevated amounts needed to get the test results he did
-Benn himself said the disagrees with the WBC’s conclusions and thinks they did him a disservice

So there are a lot of irregularities in Benn’s excuse and not a lot of supporting evidence to back it up. His explanation is far less likely to have been true than Canelo’s.

In any case, the NSAC did their job when a fighter tested positive under their jurisdiction. It’s time for the BBBoC to do their job. This shouldn’t be up to the WBC.

[IronDanHamza]

-Clenbuterol is widely used in the cattle industry in Mexico
-Canelo was seen eating steak at Sonora Grill in the company of Bill Clinton and others in the days leading up to his positive test
-Canelo named several other restaurants he had eaten at and had receipts
-The amounts Canelo tested positive for were consistent with eating tainted meat
-Canelo did a hair follicle test, the results there were consistent with his story as well

So could the reason he tested positive be just like he said? Yeah. It’s plausible. There is enough supporting evidence to find his story believable.

Conor Benn on the other hand?
-Clomiphene is not allowed for egg production in the UK
-Benn hasn’t said what country he “imported” the eggs from ( ) nor who his specific supplier was
-Benn gave an interview listing what he was eating during training camp, he said he only ate eggs occasionally. Not in the elevated amounts needed to get the test results he did
-Benn himself said the disagrees with the WBC’s conclusions and thinks they did him a disservice

So there are a lot of irregularities in Benn’s excuse and not a lot of supporting evidence to back it up. His explanation is far less likely to have been true than Canelo’s.

In any case, the NSAC did their job when a fighter tested positive under their jurisdiction. It’s time for the BBBoC to do their job. This shouldn’t be up to the WBC.

Can you read? Honest question.

I’ve already examined to you numerous times now why none of what you just listed has any bearing on whether or not he ate contaminated meat or not,

Receipts where? Please provide these receipts.

”He was seen eating meat” where? Please provide or source for that.

On top of that, even IF both of these things were demonstrably true, there is STILL no evidence to suggest that that is the reason that he failed his drug test.

The fact that his test levels are consistent with a contamination has NO bearing what so ever that the failed test was due to tainted meat.

You can’t just make an assertion, and link one thing to another when there is no demonstrable evidence that there is any link what so ever. That is what’s known as a fallacy. I know you likely don’t know that word, but it’s literally entirely a fallacy argument you are making.

You don’t understand how evidence and burden of proof works. It’s quite astonishing really, considering this must be the 10th+ time I’ve attempted to explain it in the most basic way possible.

No, again, Benn has NO supporting evidence in regards to their being a link being Egg consumption and his failed test.

What you are still, worryingly failing to understand, is Canelo has NO supporting evidence that there’s a link between tainted meat and his failed test.

You keep spouting there is supporting evidence, but what you’re not understand is there is OBJECTIVELY exactly zero. And you’re not understanding that becusse you don’t understand how the burden of proof works, that much is clear.

Like previously mentioned, the only difference here between Canelo’s situation and Benn’s situation is one took the baseless get out of jail free card and the other didn’t.

The demonstrable evidence for both is equally weak; Zero.

[ShoulderRoll]

Receipts where? Please provide these receipts.

The receipts were provided to NSAC.

“Documentation on the purchase of the contaminated meat has been turned into the Nevada Commission by Golden Boy Promotions, according to Lance Pugmire of the Los Angeles Times.“

See this thread:

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...eat-was-bought

�He was seen eating meat� where? Please provide or source for that.

”Canelo put forward eight restaurants that he regularly attended during a visit to Mexico. Sonora Grill was visited twice and the first time saw him eat steak alongside Clinton.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...l-Clinton.html

On top of that, even IF both of these things were demonstrably true, there is STILL no evidence to suggest that that is the reason that he failed his drug test.

Ok. Stop wasting my time asking for sources, then. If you’re just going to ignore them when they are provided to you.

The fact that his test levels are consistent with a contamination has NO bearing what so ever that the failed test was due to tainted meat.

The test levels don’t contradict the explanation that the failed test was due to tainted meat. This isn’t a lot by itself, but when combined with the other facts surrounding Canelo’s situation there is enough support to his story to make it believable. It certainly could have happened as he said.

“To avoid potential cheating from those like Contador and others who blame contaminated meat, Conte supports hair follicle testing to better judge whether any positive test was accidental. "In Canelo's case, they took a hair from the back of his neck, and there was no clenbuterol," he said. "So, this supports Canelo's explanation."

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...-mexican-ranch

Like previously mentioned, the only difference here between Canelo�s situation and Benn�s situation is one took the baseless get out of jail free card and the other didn�t.

The demonstrable evidence for both is equally weak; Zero.

Canelo didn’t get out of jail free, NSAC handed down a ban and he served it. The BBBoC has still done fvck all about Conor Benn breaking the rules.

There is a big difference in the two situations, actually. Canelo can point to several things that support his story. Benn in contrast has NO receipts, NO names of places he got eggs, NO follow-up hair follicle tests, not even a nationwide contamination problem he could point to since clomiphene use in animals is prohibited in his country.

You are either thick or just willfully ignorant not to see and acknowledge those differences.