ray is a nice mathematical object; rays are beams; beams make people smile.
...I had a childhood girlfriend named Lisa Conti(sp??) who dated Mancini when he was in his prime. I went back to visit and I ran into her and still tried to **** her even though she was dating Ray at the time. Good thing she didn't let me get up or I would have had an even better story.
....Calling him great is premature but degrading him in the fashion that you are is way too harsh. Because of his size which you pointed out and his strength I think all of those guys you mentioned would have had a hard time with him. He is very awkward(not unskilled), hard to hit, punches extremely hard, has a great chin, and is extremely focused and intense every single time he enters the ring. What more can you ask for from the guy? He has also never been dropped and has literaly outboxed every guy he has ever faced. Man if that's unskilled then I will take that kind of unskilled any day. So, your saying that no matter who comes along and no matter how highly skilled they might be, it still won't matter in your opinion even if Vitali knocks them out? Man Soundtraveler, I love ya, but you just basically defined the term hater with your response. Give Vitali a frickin break already my man. I never saw you jump on him before like this, am I missing something?
I don't think Vitali would have been much of a match for any of the fighters in the era I mentioned, Lewis didn't find him hard to hit did he? If you can name even one elite fighter in the Heavyweight Division today I will be suprised, because I can't think of one.
Would you call a big college guy who goes into a high school and beats up smaller kids a great fighter? No you wouldn't, but that is what the Heavyweight Division is these days, one big guy beating up a bunch of smaller guys. If that impresses you o.k. - but it doesn't do it for me.
I don't hate him, I respect what he does for a living - it takes big balls! I don't hate any fighter except for maybe Ruiz, but damn, I get called an idiot for not being a nuthugger, I have met the man, shook hands with him, he is nice enough - but I am not going to fall at his feet and declare my undying loyalty! He is just a man, but to some of you, he seems to be a God - it's rediculous!
I don't think Vitali would have been much of a match for any of the fighters in the era I mentioned, Lewis didn't find him hard to hit did he? If you can name even one elite fighter in the Heavyweight Division today I will be suprised, because I can't think of one.
Would you call a big college guy who goes into a high school and beats up smaller kids a great fighter? No you wouldn't, but that is what the Heavyweight Division is these days, one big guy beating up a bunch of smaller guys. If that impresses you o.k. - but it doesn't do it for me.
I don't hate him, I respect what he does for a living - it takes big balls! I don't hate any fighter except for maybe Ruiz, but damn, I get called an idiot for not being a nuthugger, I have met the man, shook hands with him, he is nice enough - but I am not going to fall at his feet and declare my undying loyalty! He is just a man, but to some of you, he seems to be a God - it's rediculous!
....I see where your coming from man, and for the record I would never call you an idiot or question your boxing knowledge. I have a different opinion than you when it comes to big V and that's it.
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