People forget something, PACQUIAO AIN"T AMERICAN!!!!!!

[MOTHER DUCKER]

hmmm... kinda unfair if you discredit his fights eh?

morales- was past it but still considered elite in their second bout. he had nothing during the 3rd fight

marquez- close fights. both could have gone either way. great competetive fight where pacquiao won one officially.

hatton- pacquaio was favored to win by most people, but not in the way he did it. got his 4th lineal title in doing so. made history

oscar- was supposed to take pacquiao's head off. made a mistake by coming in light. not pacquiao's fault.

pacquiao has one of the best resumes of this era. discredit it all you want but point is he faced everyone and beat people who he isn't supposed to.

he is way higher than floyd up to this point.

Do you agree with me then that 3 out of the 4 fighters were slipping? and 2 out of the 4 were old and coming of loses?

The only elite prime fighter you listed was Marquez and we all know how that went down.

Only dominant victory vs an elite fighter was Barrera which i will state again was a ****ing huge win, cause im not trying to hate on Pac. I just think he is getting incredibly overhpyed from the Hatton/Oscar wins.

Al is right tho if Floyd was p4p nr1 before Hatton/Hoya/Diaz i dont see how Pac has magically leapfrogged Floyd by miles? The Hatton win was brutal. Yes many thought Oscar would knock him the **** out but then again who would have thought Oscar would kil himself making 147 then come in fight night at 147..

[DonTaseMeBrah]

LOL @ the "american" thing that has surfaced in, oh, the past 12 hours.

The million buys apparently sent people in Glenn Beck-dom.

just answer this question,


if mr.counterfeit cash was not american but lets say he was japanese, & he never talked trash, was quiet, shy, humble, never did wwe, dancing with the stars etc....

but fought the same guys on his resume & had the same fighting style.....


would he be as great as he is right now? Close your eys & think about. Answer it honestly.........




No he wouldnt.........


He would be the japanese version of sven ottke or joe calzaghe.

[Al Haymon]

Yep im not really sure tbh name wise Pac> Floyd probably, that doesn't change the fact that his resume is weaker.. he:

Lost to a slipping Morales, who on the second fight was coming off a loss to an average fighter, then in the 3rd had nutrionist at ringside.. i mean why the hell was there a need for a rubber match?

Marquez: Schooled Pac badly after Pac shocked him with his power and speed first time out. 2nd fight i thought was a clear close win for Marquez by 2-3 rounds, for marketing reasons Pac got the nod imo.

in 2007, ESPN ran a "50 Greatest boxers of all time" poll. At the time, Floyd had just beaten Oscar, but not yet Ricky. Pacquiao wasn't on that list.

I'm willing to listen regarding what Pac did in 2008/2009 that had him leap-frogging the guys on the list.

Diaz/Delahoya/hatton?


It is by no means THE list... it is "a" list.

[Akyra]

people forget about something...........

so what if floyd is doing better sales than pacquiao or vice versa? it doesn't make one fighter better than the other. the most controversial is the one who sells most. does it mean he's a better fighter? no, not at all. they're both good and great if one sells more than the other. we're here debating over how one does better sales than the other and why, while they're both rich right now resting in their mansion. it's not that serious or important.

[Al Haymon]

just answer this question,


if mr.counterfeit cash was not american but lets say he was japanese, & he never talked trash, was quiet, shy, humble, never did wwe, dancing with the stars etc....

but fought the same guys on his resume & had the same fighting style.....


would he be as great as he is right now? Close your eys & think about. Answer it honestly.........




No he wouldnt.........


He would be the japanese version of sven ottke or joe calzaghe.

if a guy....
won multiple national golden gloves (or the jap version)
"won" an olympic medal
beat the "real" champs at 130 and 135 and 147
won titles at 130, 135, 140, 147, 154
beat Delahoya at 154
went undefeated for a ten year stretch

Honestly? That resume would ALWAYS be hard to overlook.

Think about it: until Miguel had beaten Mosley (Pre-Mosley fight now), what earned Migs accolades?

[DonTaseMeBrah]

if a guy....
won multiple national golden gloves (or the jap version)
"won" an olympic medal
beat the "real" champs at 130 and 135 and 147
won titles at 130, 135, 140, 147, 154
beat Delahoya at 154
went undefeated for a ten year stretch

Honestly? That resume would ALWAYS be hard to overlook.

Think about it: until Miguel had beaten Mosley (Pre-Mosley fight now), what earned Migs accolades?

name a truly great fighter mr.counterfeit cash has beaten. the answer that you get, ask yourself is that worth the greatness he & his fans like you claim?

Until he fought marquez, he only had oscar in his resume as the one fighter as a first ballot hall of famer.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

just answer this question,


if mr.counterfeit cash was not american but lets say he was japanese, & he never talked trash, was quiet, shy, humble, never did wwe, dancing with the stars etc....

but fought the same guys on his resume & had the same fighting style.....


would he be as great as he is right now? Close your eys & think about. Answer it honestly.........


No he wouldnt.........

He would be the japanese version of sven ottke or joe calzaghe.

Great? erm i dont see how not running his mouth or not being American in anyway reflects on how greater a boxer he is.. he would still beat those guys on his resume no matter if he was Japanese or American..

[Doctor_Tenma]

just answer this question,


if mr.counterfeit cash was not american but lets say he was japanese, & he never talked trash, was quiet, shy, humble, never did wwe, dancing with the stars etc....

but fought the same guys on his resume & had the same fighting style.....


would he be as great as he is right now? Close your eys & think about. Answer it honestly.........




No he wouldnt.........


He would be the japanese version of sven ottke or joe calzaghe.

Let's make it simple, what you mean is, Pacquiao can't sell a fight like Mayweather can.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

name a truly great fighter mr.counterfeit cash has beaten. the answer that you get, ask yourself is that worth the greatness he & his fans like you claim?

Until he fought marquez, he only had oscar in his resume as the one fighter as a first ballot hall of famer.

Castillo/Hatton/Corrales all prime undefeated (i think not sure about Castillo) Hall of famers, of which the later 2 Floyd dismantled.

People seem to **** on these wins but give Pac huge credit for 1 loss 2 wins vs a way way past it Morales, A great victory over barrera (much like FLoyds over Corrales) and a draw/win over Marquez which is debatable.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Great? erm i dont see how not running his mouth or not being American in anyway reflects on how greater a boxer he is.. he would still beat those guys on his resume no matter if he was Japanese or American..

u aint understanding my question. Its not if he was japanese or non american would he beat those guys in his resume, but if he was not american, loud, flashy, but a non american who was quiet, humble, & had the same resume & with his fighting style, is he still held in the same regard by the american boxing media & fans?

HELL TO THE NO.