Comments Thread For: Canelo On Possible Bivol Sequel: "I Know I'm Gonna Beat Him In The Rematch"

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  • Cool story
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    #121
    Originally posted by Oregonian
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    All your points would make sense if Crawford did not fight Khan and Brook. There were better opponents out there than those two.

    But like I said, where does Crawford go now? He’s stated he will fight three times. Who else can he fight other than Ortiz, Boots and Spence?
    He fought khan and brook for the same reason I stated all them guys were freezing bud out not giving him a chance that’s why he fought khan n brook

    Crawford had called out danny Thurman porter when they all had belts too

    he Might fight Ortiz since I don’t think Spence willing to get in the ring with bud

    I don’t think Spence or Crawford want boots anytime soon

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    • Rebelrbg
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      #122
      Originally posted by Cool story

      Dude all this guys at pbc could of fought Crawford a long time ago porter clearly did that means Spence can too but he won’t

      maybe it’s not Spence but his handler or trainer don’t believe in the Spence hype lol
      You are delusional. After his fight for his 3rd belt, Spence said to the world, "I want Crawford next, and I'm going to take his motherfxcking strap, too. Spence started the negotiations, it was Bud that ran away and fought a crash dummy for a big check. Stop with your make believe bullshxt.

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        #123
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
        This rematch will be a bigger fight than the first fight.

        And I think it will be Alvarez's defining fight. And his best win if he beats Bivol.

        The fight needs to be made at 175 pounds, for maximum prestige and value.

        I still give Alvarez a serious chance of beating Bivol at 175 pounds.

        The fight is all about endurance, and Alvarez being able to apply his superior inside game.

        Bivol is a solid fighter all around, but I don't see any attributes that jump out at you 'Like Tommy Hearn's power, Roy Jones Junior's speed & athleticism, Joe Calzaghe's endurance and combination punch ability'.

        Bivol is just like Usyk, good in most area's 'Which overall combines and in this era has made him a elite fighter'. The one area which I think Bivol has shown not much ability in is his inside game.

        Alvarez does have a elite inside game and defense on the attack 'Extremely sophisticated
        '. These are the area's where I rate Alvarez as elite. In other area's he can drop below elite and even struggles to reach World level i.e Movement, Endurance, Lack of Gears, Alvarez's power is solid enough but he is no monster puncher.

        I just think this challenge for Alvarez is apparent. Alvarez knows what area's he is a better fighter than Bivol in 'So he has to take the fight into this realm'. And this can only be achieved through a specific training camp, highly focused on building up his endurance 'Complete obsession about his inside game application'.

        It may be a fight where Alvarez racks up points early in the fight, than has to hang on in the latter rounds.
        Did you not see how often Alvarez would get frustrated when he was on the inside trying to throw shots, especially to the body, and Bivol would catch and counter? Sure, Bivol could be better at inside fighting, but his mastery of distance and footwork makes it so that he doesn't have to rely on his inside game. But it's still good enough. In order for Canelo to really be competitive with Bivol, he would have to up his output by 30% to 40%, or throwing at least 700 punches. He won't suddenly be able to throw that many punches, doesn't matter how much he trains for it. The most he's ever thrown was 673 against Mosley and then 622 in the rematch against Golovkin. At the higher weights, he can't replicate anywhere near those numbers. And if he somehow did, that should raise major su****ions. Canelo would have to try his hardest to match what naturally comes easy to Bivol. If Bivol ups his output, which seems very likely he can, Canelo is even more ****ed.
        Last edited by AKAcronym; 02-16-2023, 11:35 AM.

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          #124
          Originally posted by AKAcronym

          Did you not see how often Alvarez would get frustrated when he was on the inside trying to throw shots, especially to the body, and Bivol would catch and counter? Sure, Bivol could be better at inside fighting, but his mastery of distance and footwork makes it so that he doesn't have to rely on his inside game. But it's still good enough. In order for Canelo to really be competitive with Bivol, he would have to up his output by 30% to 40%, or throwing at least 700 punches. He won't suddenly be able to throw that many punches, doesn't matter how much he trains for it. The most he's ever thrown was 673 against Mosley and then 622 in the rematch against Golovkin. At the higher weights, he can't replicate anywhere near those numbers. And if he somehow did, that should raise major su****ions. Canelo would have to try his hardest to match what naturally comes easy to Bivol. If Bivol ups his output, which seems very likely he can, Canelo is even more ****ed.
          Alvarez can do it, he can improve his endurance if? That is his primary goal going into training camp 'But the question will be, whether he can improve by a substantially big enough percentage'.

          So your doubts are understandable.

          But I still disagree, at the higher weights Alvarez is less drained. He is probably a better fighter at 175 pounds 'But he is also fighting better, stronger fighters at 175 pounds'.

          Alvarez has the attributes to beat Bivol, or at-least make it a razor close fight.

          He has a superior inside game, and offense on the attack. But his endurance, lack of gears and top level movement 'Made it very difficult for him to apply his best attributes vs Bivol'. Alvarez will know what area's he has to improve, that is why I am intrigued for the rematch.

          Bivol best attributes were able to negate and create a environment in the fight were 'He was able to perform best'.

          The rematch at 175 pounds is not a forgone conclusion, Alvarez definitely has a chance of beating Bivol.
          Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 02-16-2023, 06:44 PM.

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            #125
            Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

            Alvarez can do it, he can improve his endurance if? That is his primary goal going into training camp 'But the question will be, whether he can improve by a substantially big enough percentage'.

            So your doubts are understandable.

            But I still disagree, at the higher weights Alvarez is less drained. He is probably a better fighter at 175 pounds 'But he is also fighting better, stronger fighters at 175 pounds'.

            Alvarez has the attributes to beat Bivol, or at-least make it a razor close fight.

            He has a superior inside game, and offense on the attack. But his endurance, lack of gears and top level movement 'Made it very difficult for him to apply his best attributes vs Bivol'. Alvarez will know what area's he has to improve, that is why I am intrigued for the rematch.

            Bivol best attributes were able to negate and create a environment in the fight were 'He was able to perform best'.

            The rematch at 175 pounds is not a forgone conclusion, Alvarez definitely has a chance of beating Bivol.
            Well there's never a 0% chance, but I, along with most, don't see much that Canelo can improve on. Canelo at his best, will barely be able to keep up with Bivol just cruising by. Bivol looks to have the capability to switch gears if he needs to and once that happens, doesn't matter how much Canelo has trained, physiology takes over. And all that inside game got negated when Canelo was getting countered. Bivol naturally upset Canelo's rhythm. Doesn't matter what Canelo works on in camp if Bivol can organically predict Saul's cadence in the ring.
            Last edited by AKAcronym; 02-16-2023, 08:44 PM.

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              #126
              Originally posted by Boxing Scene

              wait what? How is Canelo suddenly "better" if he lost every fkn round the first fight and nearly got yet another undeserved decision? Let's be real here, Canelo could easily have 4 losses on his record right now. He definitely lost to GGG once, probably twice, debatably lost to Lara. Could have lost to Cotto. Beat by Bivol in pretty much a shut out. The number of soft touches, smaller guys and shot fighters on his resume is literally mind boggling. Like look at it. John Ryder. He just needs to retire now because these sht fights are old man.
              I clearly said he is better then I… Me.. myself.. thought bro… smh

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                #127
                Originally posted by Rebelrbg

                You are delusional. After his fight for his 3rd belt, Spence said to the world, "I want Crawford next, and I'm going to take his motherfxcking strap, too. Spence started the negotiations, it was Bud that ran away and fought a crash dummy for a big check. Stop with your make believe bullshxt.
                Bro nobody believes that
                except Spence apologist
                Spence told Crawford to get a belt way before he fought Jeff horn And still no fight
                Spence said he wanted the easy route
                spence said he wasn’t in his or haymons plans

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                  #128
                  [QUOTE=Cool story;n31742889]

                  Bro nobody believes that
                  except Spence apologist
                  Spence told Crawford to get a belt way before he fought Jeff horn And still no fight
                  Spence said he wanted the easy route
                  spence said Crawford wasn’t in his or haymons plans

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                    #129
                    Canelo didn’t land a single clean head shot in 12 rounds

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                      #130
                      He can pay judges better, that is all he can do.

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