For those who believe Bivol is the guy pushing for the rematch to take place at 168.

[SplitSecond]

While Canelo was AWOL, Bivol has been consistently bringing up 168 enough to suggest someone has gotten into his head and he now sees it as a worthy challenge to potentially drain himself and become undisputed at 168.

I haven’t seen Canelo say he wont fight Bivol unless it’s at 168 like Floyd said to Canelo trying to keep him to words he uttered 2 years prior. Floyd-Canelo is not comparable to this situation. Bivol “wants” to move to 168, and he has much more to gain from it.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Wrong, I don’t have “zero evidence.” In Canelo’s situation (the amount of clenbuterol found in the initial tests, the result of the hair follicle test, the real phenomenon of widespread clen use in the Mexican cattle industry) there is some proof to point to and say that maybe he was telling the truth.

In RJJ’s situation there is no proof to say that Canelo is pushing for 168. Or at least he hasn’t provided any. What we do have is Bivol expressing interest in fighting at 168 due to being motivated by getting more belts. And Eddie Hearn saying that if it were up to Canelo the rematch would be at 175 lbs.

So would you agree Canelo was pushing for the catchweight against Floyd?

https://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alv...ther-jr--46563

I’d use common sense and say that’s nonsense but you refuse to do that when it comes to Canelo-Bivol.

You’re really quoting Hearn as evidence now?
Eddie Hearn also said Wilder ducked Joshua, do you believe that too? He also infamously said PPV is dead, how did that work out?

There’s no consistency with your argument, you’re so blatantly bias.

[IronDanHamza]

Wrong, I don’t have “zero evidence.” In Canelo’s situation (the amount of clenbuterol found in the initial tests, the result of the hair follicle test, the real phenomenon of widespread clen use in the Mexican cattle industry) there is some proof to point to and say that maybe he was telling the truth.

In RJJ’s situation there is no proof to say that Canelo is pushing for 168. Or at least he hasn’t provided any. What we do have is Bivol expressing interest in fighting at 168 due to being motivated by getting more belts. And Eddie Hearn saying that if it were up to Canelo the rematch would be at 175 lbs.

You literally have zero evidence that Canelo’s positive test was due to tainted meat.

The fact there were trace amounts detected does not mean you can then assert that was due to tainted meat. That’s not how accumulating evidence works.

You can make that assumption, but that’s what it would be, an assumption. An assumption is not qualified as any kind of demonstrable evidence or proof.

You have evidence that it was a trace amount of Clen, and how it got there was unknown. That’s all you have evidence of.

RJ is essentially saying the same thing, he’s expressing his opinion that whatever weight the fight takes place at, is Canelo’s choice, not Bivol’s.

He’s basing that opinion off the fact #1 Canelo calls the shots and #2 he has a history of making weight demands and stipulations in his fights.

Neither are evidence of the assertions made, but realistically his assumptions have more of a basis than yours does solely due to his past history with weight stipulations.

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The fact there were trace amounts detected does not mean you can then assert that was due to tainted meat.

I have never asserted that. I simply point out that the facts don’t contradict Canelo’s story, which makes his excuse plausible.

All the actual evidence so far contradicts RJJ’s position that Canelo is the one pushing for 168. Something which even he admits himself as he has now backtracked on the “pushing” comment.

[ShoulderRoll]

While Canelo was AWOL, Bivol has been consistently bringing up 168 enough to suggest someone has gotten into his head and he now sees it as a worthy challenge to potentially drain himself and become undisputed at 168.

I haven’t seen Canelo say he wont fight Bivol unless it’s at 168 like Floyd said to Canelo trying to keep him to words he uttered 2 years prior. Floyd-Canelo is not comparable to this situation. Bivol “wants” to move to 168, and he has much more to gain from it.

Exactky.

Bivol clearly stated he is more motivated by belts than he is by just money.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

So would you agree Canelo was pushing for the catchweight against Floyd?

https://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alv...ther-jr--46563

I’d use common sense and say that’s nonsense but you refuse to do that when it comes to Canelo-Bivol.

You’re really quoting Hearn as evidence now?
Eddie Hearn also said Wilder ducked Joshua, do you believe that too? He also infamously said PPV is dead, how did that work out?

There’s no consistency with your argument, you’re so blatantly bias.

ShoulderRoll you seem to have avoided answering this post, why is that?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Exactky.

Bivol clearly stated he is more motivated by belts than he is by just money.

If he’s motivated by belts like you claim. Wouldn’t he just unify with Beterbiev rather than making a risky move down in weight?

Yet again… agenda driven flawed logic.

[IronDanHamza]

I have never asserted that. I simply point out that the facts don’t contradict Canelo’s story, which makes his excuse plausible.

All the actual evidence so far contradicts RJJ’s position that Canelo is the one pushing for 168. Something which even he admits himself as he has now backtracked on the “pushing” comment.

What facts are you talking about? That Canelo’s Clen amount was a trace amount?

That doesn’t contradict Canelo’s excuse no, that he ate tainted meat.

It also doesn’t contradict the idea that he miss timed his cycle meaning there was still traces left in his system.

Both are baseless with zero evidence.

The only thing we have demonstrable evidence of is Canelo had Clen in his system. There is zero evidence that is was there due to tainted meat. Zero.

You keep harping on this “pushing” verbiage when RJ has retracted his stance on that.

RJ has said it’s his opinion that where the fight takes place is Canelo’s call. He’s entitled to that opinion and it’s is very very very far from a reach to make that claim.

[ShoulderRoll]

So would you agree Canelo was pushing for the catchweight against Floyd?

https://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alv...ther-jr--46563

I’d use common sense and say that’s nonsense but you refuse to do that when it comes to Canelo-Bivol.

You’re really quoting Hearn as evidence now?
Eddie Hearn also said Wilder ducked Joshua, do you believe that too? He also infamously said PPV is dead, how did that work out?

There’s no consistency with your argument, you’re so blatantly bias.

I’m more of a Floyd fan than I am a Canelo fan so not sure where you’re going with this.

But how does that prove that Canelo is the one pushing for the Bivol rematch to be at 168?

[ShoulderRoll]

What facts are you talking about? That Canelo’s Clen amount was a trace amount?

That doesn’t contradict Canelo’s excuse no, that he ate tainted meat.

It also doesn’t contradict the idea that he miss timed his cycle meaning there was still traces left in his system.

Both are baseless with zero evidence.

The only thing we have demonstrable evidence of is Canelo had Clen in his system. There is zero evidence that is was there due to tainted meat. Zero.

You keep harping on this “pushing” verbiage when RJ has retracted his stance on that.

RJ has said it’s his opinion that where the fight takes place is Canelo’s call. He’s entitled to that opinion and it’s is very very very far from a reach to make that claim.

Right. The facts don’t contradict Canelo’s tainted meat story. So it could have happened as he said. Which is as far as I’ve ever gone with that.

RJJ is entitled to have an opinion. But it would be good if he based it on similar facts at least.