Comments Thread For: Hearn: 168 Not Canelo's Requirement For Bivol Rematch; Bivol Has Asked To Look Into It

[TheOneAboveAll]

Dude we normally always agree and stay in our lanes.

My bad if I offended u.

I'll take the L on this and I'm not some Canelo Groupie. I don't even think I gave him 1 round against Mayweather

Odd and cringeworthy capitulation. Is that guy connected to the mob or something?

[tokon]

Bivol has options. Why should he push for Beterbiev fight?

Arum must come to Bivol and make an offer.

Bivol says he's interested in legacy and unification with Beterbiev that's why.

Why has arum got to make him an offer, why can't Hearn make Beterbiev an offer?

[TheOneAboveAll]

I would prefer -- like most people I suspect -- for Bivol to fight Bebertiev, though it sounds like we're definitely not getting it next unfortunately or possibly even this year.

Regarding Bivol vs Canelo at 168 or 175. I am inclined to believe Bivol is genuinely more interested in 168 and the reason I say that is because I believe Bivol when he says he is more interested in legacy. We've already had the fight at 175 and we already have an answer as to who is better at that weight. If they run it over again, I have no reason to believe the result would be any different and Bivol should have no reason to think any differently. He has no legal obligation to take the rematch. What would be the reason to take it then? I think money would be the only big factor. This isn't irrelevant, but I give Bivol more credit than to think he would take the option for which $ is the only driver. At 168 it is a bigger challenge; win or lose, the possibility of undisputed at 175 remains on the table afterwards; and a loss would immediately be dismissed as a consequence of having to boil down.

Flipping it over, I am inclined to think Canelo is genuinely more interested in a rematch at 175. A win at 175 would properly avenge the loss, whereas a win at 168 would not do it in quite the same way. Similarly, another loss at 175 would not diminish Canelo's reputation and commercial appeal in the same way that a loss at 168 to Bivol would. Put simply: Canelo has more to gain potentially and less to lose at 175. This is balanced somewhat by the fact that 168 gives him more of a chance at winning, so there is that, i suppose.

That's my thinking anyway.

Agree with this reasoning. I tend to think that Canelo's handlers would prefer that he rematches Bivol at SMW, but, as you note, Canelo beating Bivol at 168lbs doesn't fully redeem him because he'd only have beaten a handicapped Bivol. All it does do is definitively affirm that 168lbs is Canelo's limit and that he was never an elite LHW.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Bivol says he's interested in legacy and unification with Beterbiev that's why.

Why has arum got to make him an offer, why can't Hearn make Beterbiev an offer?

You don`t really understand how boxing works, do you.

Bivol has options. What great options does beterbiev have, outside Bivol?

[Cool story]

Cool story bro

Worry about Spence don’t worry about canelo
even tho Spence doing the same thing moving up with out fighting the slick athletic brothas

[tokon]

You don`t really understand how boxing works, do you.

Bivol has options. What great options does beterbiev have, outside Bivol?

Irrelevant really. Beterbiev can just go on defending his three titles. The point is it doesn't have to be arum making offers. If this is what Bivol really wants he can request his promoter and management to try to make the fights he wants. That's an option too but thanks for being so condescending anyways.

[Oldskoolg]

Worry about Spence don’t worry about canelo
even tho Spence doing the same thing moving up with out fighting the slick athletic brothas

Cool story bro

[Citizen Koba]

I would prefer -- like most people I suspect -- for Bivol to fight Bebertiev, though it sounds like we're definitely not getting it next unfortunately or possibly even this year.

Regarding Bivol vs Canelo at 168 or 175. I am inclined to believe Bivol is genuinely more interested in 168 and the reason I say that is because I believe Bivol when he says he is more interested in legacy. We've already had the fight at 175 and we already have an answer as to who is better at that weight. If they run it over again, I have no reason to believe the result would be any different and Bivol should have no reason to think any differently. He has no legal obligation to take the rematch. What would be the reason to take it then? I think money would be the only big factor. This isn't irrelevant, but I give Bivol more credit than to think he would take the option for which $ is the only driver. At 168 it is a bigger challenge; win or lose, the possibility of undisputed at 175 remains on the table afterwards; and a loss would immediately be dismissed as a consequence of having to boil down.

Flipping it over, I am inclined to think Canelo is genuinely more interested in a rematch at 175. A win at 175 would properly avenge the loss, whereas a win at 168 would not do it in quite the same way. Similarly, another loss at 175 would not diminish Canelo's reputation and commercial appeal in the same way that a loss at 168 to Bivol would. Put simply: Canelo has more to gain potentially and less to lose at 175. This is balanced somewhat by the fact that 168 gives him more of a chance at winning, so there is that, i suppose.

That's my thinking anyway.

That may or may not be the case but if you read the article cartefully it doesn't really offer much evidence of it.

Alvarez nevertheless hopes Bivol is open to moving down from the light heavyweight maximum of 175 pounds to 168, the division in which the Mexican icon is the undisputed champion.

That’s not Canelo’s requirement. We’re just saying to Dmitry, ‘If you’re comfortable at ’68, fight for undisputed at ’68. It’d be quite amazing.’

we’re saying, ‘If you want, you can fight for undisputed at 168.’

But what we’re saying is if you wanna fight Canelo at ’68 for undisputed,

The 'We' in all the above statements made by Hearn of course refers to DAZN / Matchroom. They're basically selling him the idea of 168. That doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't want it of course... although this quote from after the Zurdo fight makes it clear that going down to 168 isn't really his preference.

“Before this weigh-in, I had dinner, I had a small breakfast and then I came to the scales. I think we could talk about it [making 168], of course. It’s not my preference, but we could.”

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...vzgoqmnqlvdzlw

I'm more just pointing out the divergence between what's suggested by the article's title and what's actually said in the body of the text.

[AmpMcv]

There IS NO 168 in the amateurs. MF's need to stop talking this BS.


There's Middleweight (75kg/165lbs) and theres Light-Heavyweight (81kg/178lbs) No "tweener divisions"

Typically only 9 weight classes in the ams.

He fought both middle weight and lhw in amateurs. Somewhere in between is 168. I'll let you figure it out.

[_Rexy_]

He fought both middle weight and lhw in amateurs. Somewhere in between is 168. I'll let you figure it out.

Yeah, his last middleweight fight in the amateurs was in 2011; 12 years ago. When he was Nineteen. sounds like you’re the one who needs to “figure it out.”

Usyk fought at middleweight when he was a kid too. Is this what you’re going with?