"Benavidez was dropped by Gavril"

[Mammoth]

It was.

You know enough to know what is and isn't a robbery. A close fight doesn't count.

[garfios]

He definitely didn’t beat him more clearly than they did but I’d agree with you those fights were comparable.

I’d also agree with you it doesn’t mean he won’t beat Plant. I actually think he probably will beat Plant.

But the performance against Gavril has to be considered when assessing. Surely?

I agree he has improved since then but it’s still something we need to consider when analysing.

I'd not consider that fight to assess the coming one. He showed in the second fight with gavril, that he learned from the first one. So what's that to be considered? Just like canelo after cotto's brother, and he won almost every round.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You know enough to know what is and isn't a robbery. A close fight doesn't count.

I felt Gavril clearly won watching it live. I’ve never watched it back.

[Mammoth]

I felt Gavril clearly won watching it live. I’ve never watched it back.

A robbery is like Lara vs Paul Williams imo.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

A robbery is like Lara vs Paul Williams imo.

I actually rewatched it. Much better fight than I remembered tbf.

Round:
1 RG
2 DB
3 DB
4 RG
5 RG
6 RG
7 DB
8 RG
9 RG
10 DB
11 DB
12 RG (10-8)

115-112 Gavril for me. Benavidez landed the flashier combinations but Gavril blocked a lot of shots on the gloves and was the more consistent and accurate fighter. Benavidez boxed quite lacklustre aside from the odd flashes until he finally upped the tempo in the 10th round. The fact the judges had it 9-3 Benavidez shows the fix was definitely in. I’d classify this as a robbery based on the cards. Gavril definitely got a raw deal.

I agree with your OP that it’s not relevant now, as Benavidez has improved over the years and he put the controversy to bed by clearly winning the rematch but I do maintain Gavril got jobbed in that first fight.

[pretty boy_]

I actually rewatched it. Much better fight than I remembered tbf.

Round:
1 RG
2 DB
3 DB
4 RG
5 RG
6 RG
7 DB
8 RG
9 RG
10 DB
11 DB
12 RG (10-8)

115-112 Gavril for me. Benavidez landed the flashier combinations but Gavril blocked a lot of shots on the gloves and was the more consistent and accurate fighter. Benavidez boxed quite lacklustre aside from the odd flashes until he finally upped the tempo in the 10th round. The fact the judges had it 9-3 Benavidez shows the fix was definitely in. I’d classify this as a robbery based on the cards. Gavril definitely got a raw deal.

I agree with your OP that it’s not relevant now, as Benavidez has improved over the years and he put the controversy to bed by clearly winning the rematch but I do maintain Gavril got jobbed in that first fight.

He improved in his very next fight winning every single round in the rematch IIRC. The 20 year old Benevidez was in rough for the first time in his career and learned from it. Tough fights like that are good for up and comers IMO.

[El Más Loco]

Stop man.

Im a real mexican, I live here AND nobody know Benavides, or know who Is he

David Benavidez is constantly mentioned on mainstream media (ESPN Deportes, FOX deportes, TV Azteca), constantly mentioned by Mexican Youtube media channels like Hay Tiro, Vikingo, etc), and constantly being named by our top Legends.

People know Benavidez and Benavidez name is being thrown out there by the right people.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

He improved in his very next fight winning every single round in the rematch IIRC. The 20 year old Benevidez was in rough for the first time in his career and learned from it. Tough fights like that are good for up and comers IMO.

Yeah 100%. I honestly quite like a record like Jermell Charlo’s were he’s had a loss to Harrison and a draw with Castano but put them right in the rematch. I think it shows progression and the ability to learn from fights. Lennox’s record was like that too.

[garfios]

He improved in his very next fight winning every single round in the rematch IIRC. The 20 year old Benevidez was in rough for the first time in his career and learned from it. Tough fights like that are good for up and comers IMO.

Look a Ramirez, he thought his two Olympic gold medal were enough to scare professional fighters. Wrong, he had a bullseye on his back. Now is another story. The good ones learn from their tough fights.

[IronDanHamza]

I'd not consider that fight to assess the coming one. He showed in the second fight with gavril, that he learned from the first one. So what's that to be considered? Just like canelo after cotto's brother, and he won almost every round.

Right buf again you can’t compare the two because Canelo beat the hell out of Jose Cotto for every second of the fight up to where he stopped him outside of the 30 seconds he was rocked.

Gavril not only dropped Benividez but arguably beat him.

He wrote the wrong in the rematch and he definitely deserves credit for that because he didn’t have to.

And I agree he has improved since then and that can be chalked down as a learning fight,

But it still is illogical to act like that fight doesn’t exist.