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[MindBat]

Few people deny his great talent, they just wish he would test it against the best live opponents in his own division, which is something all great champions do, but which he hasn't done for many years.

And it irritates the hell out of most neutral boxing fans that so many of his so-called fans justify his refusal to do so on the basis that he's such a wonderful businessman. I don't give a stuff how much money he's made, I just want to see great fights, in which the best fighters in the world test their talent against the top contenders; and I find it very hard, if not impossible, to respect anyone who claims to be a boxing fan but who would rather the fighters they support make more money in a meaningless fight than a little less money in a great fight against his most meaningful opponent.

His fans justify his fighting Marquez on the basis that Marquez called him out - as if he had no choice in who he fights! LOL! - but when the #1 ranked Welterweight in the world, Mosley, calls him out, and he claims that Mosley doesn't "deserve" a shot against him because "he's not a draw" or because "he didn't give me a shot several years ago", they lap up his ridiculous excuses and regurgitate them like religious zealots.

He's an all time great talent, but to be an all time great fighter, you have to fight the best possible opponents, which he doesn't want to do, and that's very sad.

And what's even sadder is that many of his so-called fans seem to be far more interested in accountancy than they are in watching great fights.

I have to agree to a certain extent. But he took a big risk fighting Oscar at Oscar's stipulation-filled 154lb fight. Many, including some experts, saw Floyd's sure demise at Oscar's hands. Mind you, this was a much better version of the Oscar than Manny fought.

In the majority of Floyd's past fights he was expected to lose for sure. By many experts, no less.

Now in his return, he should face top opposition which we're all expecting him to do based on his list of future opponents.

If he doesn't face the top guys in the division and walks away again into retirement, then he'll lose the respect of much of his fan base.

I believe however, that, in his mind, he has accomplished much in the sport, enough to be considered a lock for the Hall Of Fame. And most fans and experts agree. The records books don't lie.

So, although he might feel he has little else to prove in the sport, it would certainly be great to see him in there against better opposition.

The heat on him will, no doubt, decrease once he's done as much.

[Dave Rado]

I agree with every point. Its why I don't want to see him with Pac. At the end of the day Pac will be labeled as yet another small fighter that he cherry picked.

I don't think Pac will beat Cotto, but if he does, I wouldn't have any problem at all with Mayweather fighting the winner, as long as he fights Mosley as well, because Pac would then have proved himself to be a serious contender at Welterweight, by beating the #2 fighter at the weight. But Mayweather has to fight Mosley as well as thee Pac-Cotto winner in order to get the respect of neutrals - and if he really wants to be ranked with the best of the best of all time, he would also have to fight Williams (if PWill can really still make 147 easily, like he claims he can).

I don't think any rational boxing fans will hold it against Mayweather if he fights Pac provided Pac beats Cotto and provided Mayweather also fights Mosley soon.

And if Mayweather took the January date against Mosley, and then fought the Pac-Cotto winner after that (rather than fighting them in the opposite order), he'd get massive respect from most neutrals.

Well he did in fact call out Mosley when Mosley was prime or depending on how you look at it, more prime than now and Mosley took the dentist appt over Mayweather.

They weren't in the same weight division as each other at that time, so there was no real legacy reason why Mosley needed to take that fight back then; and Mosley didn't want to get in the way of his boss at GBP, De La Hoya, who was desperate to fight Mayweather at the time. That simply can't be compared with the situation now, where Mosley is ranked #1 in Mayweather's own weight class by almost every boxing expert, and has been calling Mayweather out for several months, and Mayweather has been making silly excuses for not wanting to fight him. That's just indefensible.

Sadly that is the truth. Fact is there is a reason there on here crying about it and not out there making money with that "skill"....... They suck!

Props to you for saying that. If only Mayweather had more fans who think the way you do, he wouldn't have anywhere near as many haters. The accountancy fans who follow him are a big reason for the amount of hate he gets.

[Dave Rado]

I have to agree to a certain extent. But he took a big risk fighting Oscar at Oscar's stipulation-filled 154lb fight. Many, including some experts, saw Floyd's sure demise at Oscar's hands. Mind you, this was a much better version of the Oscar than Manny fought.

It was considered a risky fight for him, but he was the huge favourite to win, both in terms of betting odds and among boxing experts. Very few experts expected De La Hoya, who was a part time fighter by then, to win. It was an okay fight to take provided he followed up by defending his lineal Welterweight title against some top Welterweights, but he didn't do that. He didn't defend his lineal title against a genuine Welterweight even once, and that's inexcusable.

In the majority of Floyd's past fights he was expected to lose for sure. By many experts, no less.

That's simply not true! The last fight in which he wasn't the overwhelming favourite to win was the Castillo fight, and even then he was the narrow favourite.

If he doesn't face the top guys in the division and walks away again into retirement, then he'll lose the respect of much of his fan base.

Glad you think that way, props to you for saying that. But a lot of his so-called fans have been defending him for saying he doesn't want to fight Mosley, and I find their attitude sickening.

I believe however, that, in his mind, he has accomplished much in the sport, enough to be considered a lock for the Hall Of Fame. And most fans and experts agree. The records books don't lie.

He'll get in the Hall of fame first ballot, and as things stand he'll be in the ATG list - but probably outside the top 50. But he and most of his fans think he should be top 20 or even top 10 - and he does have enough talent for a top 20 spot not to be completely impossible provided he fights the best possible opposition from now on, and keeps fighting for several years. But only with that proviso. And the way he's been talking recently isn't encouraging.

[WESS]

I don't think Pac will beat Cotto, but if he does, I wouldn't have any problem at all with Mayweather fighting the winner, as long as he fights Mosley as well, because Pac would then have proved himself to be a serious contender at Welterweight, by beating the #2 fighter at the weight. But Mayweather has to fight Mosley as well as thee Pac-Cotto winner in order to get the respect of neutrals - and if he really wants to be ranked with the best of the best of all time, he would also have to fight Williams (if PWill can really still make 147 easily, like he claims he can).

I don't think any rational boxing fans will hold it against Mayweather if he fights Pac provided Pac beats Cotto and provided Mayweather also fights Mosley soon.

And if Mayweather took the January date against Mosley, and then fought the Pac-Cotto winner after that (rather than fighting them in the opposite order), he'd get massive respect from most neutrals.



They weren't in the same weight division as each other at that time, so there was no real legacy reason why Mosley needed to take that fight back then; and Mosley didn't want to get in the way of his boss at GBP, De La Hoya, who was desperate to fight Mayweather at the time. That simply can't be compared with the situation now, where Mosley is ranked #1 in Mayweather's own weight class by almost every boxing expert, and has been calling Mayweather out for several months, and Mayweather has been making silly excuses for not wanting to fight him. That's just indefensible.




Props to you for saying that. If only Mayweather had more fans who think the way you do, he wouldn't have anywhere near as many haters. The accountancy fans who follow him are a big reason for the amount of hate he gets.

I don't think Pac will beat Cotto, but if he does, I wouldn't have any problem at all with Mayweather fighting the winner, as long as he fights Mosley as well, because Pac would then have proved himself to be a serious contender at Welterweight, by beating the #2 fighter at the weight. But Mayweather has to fight Mosley as well as thee Pac-Cotto winner in order to get the respect of neutrals - and if he really wants to be ranked with the best of the best of all time, he would also have to fight Williams (if PWill can really still make 147 easily, like he claims he can).

I see it the same way you do. I just also see that "IF" Pac does beat Cotto and "IF" Mayweather does beat Pac, Pac will then be labeled as the smaller, cherry picked fighter yet once again. Mays fans will say Pac was NOW a true WW (just as people did Mayweather vs Baldo/Hoya/Judah) for beating Cotto etc etc while on the flip side all the Pac fans will back pedal to saying that Pac was too small/a blown up 135lber......

But saying that, I totally agree with you.

I don't think any rational boxing fans will hold it against Mayweather if he fights Pac provided Pac beats Cotto and provided Mayweather also fights Mosley soon.

Agreed but the excuses will be out there "IF" Mayweather wins...

And if Mayweather took the January date against Mosley, and then fought the Pac-Cotto winner after that (rather than fighting them in the opposite order), he'd get massive respect from most neutrals.

True, but Jan???? ****, all I want for Christmas is....................

They weren't in the same weight division as each other at that time, so there was no real legacy reason why Mosley needed to take that fight back then; and Mosley didn't want to get in the way of his boss at GBP, De La Hoya, who was desperate to fight Mayweather at the time. That simply can't be compared with the situation now, where Mosley is ranked #1 in Mayweather's own weight class by almost every boxing expert, and has been calling Mayweather out for several months, and Mayweather has been making silly excuses for not wanting to fight him. That's just indefensible.

Pride my man pride. Mayweather has a lot of it and in his mind he asked for a fight and Mosley said no and now the table has turned. I see what your saying, but I think its

A: Mayweather showing that he HAS control and has the draw (like he said he would have) and proved it

B: Selling the fight (WWE smack down interview after the JMM fight), causing drama and getting people talking. I think it will come down to who will sell more
Mayweather vs Mosley
Cotto vs Pac

Ultimately will show who the REAL draw is come time for Mayweather Pac which is what "MONEY" Mayweather is wishing for..... You have A: Smaller guy and B: a BIG name with the P4P #1 title next to it. To Mayweather this is a gold mine. To the fans its the fight of the century. After words Mayweather will have gained a shyt ton of haters for beating yet another small (after the fact), cherry picked, slower, weaker, blown up 135lber fighter etc etc etc....

Anyway that's just me. Mayweather Pac sells but die hard fans want Mayweather to prove himself with a A REAL WW. Right now Mosley will suffice until after the fact... Then he'll just be considered old/not prime. Still, the fights need to be made and he better choose right. IMO The money is all there. Its fighting the guys at the right time for the right money. I think when its all done and said boxing as a SPORT will be very pleased. Everyone but Dana White.......

Props to you for saying that. If only Mayweather had more fans who think the way you do, he wouldn't have anywhere near as many haters. The accountancy fans who follow him are a big reason for the amount of hate he gets.

Hey If shyt needs to be talked about, I'll talk some shyt. Although I could say the same about Joe...... its his damn fans.... (you know I had to mention him) lol.

[WESS]

It was considered a risky fight for him, but he was the huge favourite to win, both in terms of betting odds and among boxing experts. Very few experts expected De La Hoya, who was a part time fighter by then, to win. It was an okay fight to take provided he followed up by defending his lineal Welterweight title against some top Welterweights, but he didn't do that. He didn't defend his lineal title against a genuine Welterweight even once, and that's inexcusable.



That's simply not true! The last fight in which he wasn't the overwhelming favourite to win was the Castillo fight, and even then he was the narrow favourite.



Glad you think that way, props to you for saying that. But a lot of his so-called fans have been defending him for saying he doesn't want to fight Mosley, and I find their attitude sickening.



He'll get in the Hall of fame first ballot, and as things stand he'll be in the ATG list - but probably outside the top 50. But he and most of his fans think he should be top 20 or even top 10 - and he does have enough talent for a top 20 spot not to be completely impossible provided he fights the best possible opposition from now on, and keeps fighting for several years. But only with that proviso. And the way he's been talking recently isn't encouraging.

I agree, especially this...

and he does have enough talent for a top 20 spot not to be completely impossible provided he fights the best possible opposition from now on, and keeps fighting for several years. But only with that proviso. And the way he's been talking recently isn't encouraging.

[Mr. Chago]

In Mexico, it was free by Televisa (Mexican Network) to watch the fight...so in Mexico there were no PPV buys!...how is that messured??...

I imagine how the numbers would've been...

[Lacrimosa]

u a hater get over it y would they lie its like me saying ill go half on money ill make tonight at the fight im make 100 bucks but i tell u made 200 that meens i end up paying more sorry dont work that way smarty it is wat it is u guys have ur opinions but he is draw call him ****ty or boring people pay to see him fight cause its poetry in motion lol hehe

You are more of a hater of the haters, than i am a hater of Floyd Mayweather

Why could they lie with the numbers? Well, just imagine that they want to broadcast the potential Pacman/Cotto - Mayweather fight. They may have lesser influence on Cotto/Pac but rather big on PBF (i`ll probably be cursed for saying, that there are people who have influence on the God in the flesh, which is Mayweather). Imagine that they want to make this fight happen to earn a lot. They don`t know what will be the outcome of Nov14th fight, but what they know is that as soon as negotiations begin, the battle of the arguments will start. I`m talking about the ease of defeating same opponents and the ability to attrackt crowds. Obviously both PBF and Pac have some arguments as for the opponents defeated (though i don`t find the win over JMM legitimate (oh, i`m getting red for this one - simply because the contracted weigh wasn`t kept). And many will talk on who is the bigger draw! Imagine that HBO wants to make some more money? They can give PBF a trump card - which is the PPV numbers... That is no difficulty for them... Obviously, Mayweather will owe them something from his paychek , but instead the major network will promote him as a BIG DRAW...

Could they have exaggerate the numbers a litle... or pretty much for such or any other reason, which is not obvious to us? I think they could... And not only in this case...

That is my paranoic, uneducated, full of hatred, opinion

And one more thing! Should i be in USA, i wouldn`t pay for the fight for two reasons:
1 I`m not such a big hater - i don`t care if PBF loses, so i wouldn`t bother paying for the PPV )))
2 I`m incredibly big hater - i hate PBF sp much, that i wouldn`t pay him a cent, so i wouldn`t buy a PPV )))

P.S. I`m more than likely wrong about all of this I do not live in USA and i simply don`t know how BIG can be PBFs` name there!

[Lacrimosa]

Few people deny his great talent...

...And what's even sadder is that many of his so-called fans seem to be far more interested in accountancy than they are in watching great fights.

Couldn't agree more. I'm a fan of his and I want him in there with a WW...

...Sadly that is the truth.

Yes! Agreed!

[SkillspayBills]

Few people deny his great talent,they just wish he would test it against the best live opponents in his own division, which is something all great champions do, but which he hasn't done for many years.

With all due respect that statement SPECIFICALLY is naive because when Floyd fights who they "deem" worthy they come up with excuses and move on to the next man. Baldomir is the PERFECT example of this. You might not remember it but when Floyd fought Judah before Baldo he was TORCHED, absolutely torched for not fighting Baldo, they called him a ducker and this and that. Then when he actually fought Baldo what did they do? They said the win wasn't **** and now he is ducking Margarito to fight ODH. Then Oscar is shot and old so he fights undefeated Hatton. But now Hatton is too small and unworthy even though they were the same ****ing size on fight night. It's never good enough, THAT is the main problem.

[iRealChamp]

With all due respect that statement SPECIFICALLY is naive because when Floyd fights who they "deem" worthy they come up with excuses and move on to the next man. Baldomir is the PERFECT example of this. You might not remember it but when Floyd fought Judah before Baldo he was TORCHED, absolutely torched for not fighting Baldo, they called him a ducker and this and that. Then when he actually fought Baldo what did they do? They said the win wasn't **** and now he is ducking Margarito to fight ODH. Then Oscar is shot and old so he fights undefeated Hatton. But now Hatton is too small and unworthy even though they were the same ****ing size on fight night. It's never good enough, THAT is the main problem.

If Floyd beats Mosley, Shane was too old
If he beats Pac, Manny was too small
If he beats Cotto, Miguel was ruined by Margarito
If he sells 800-1mil PPVs the numbers are rigged