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  • RRICAN
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    #31
    Timing beats Speed 99.9% of the time ....will see on nov 14 who's better.

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    • Clint650
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      #32
      tough to call a winner in Pac/ Cotto. Pac can bounce around and avoid Cotto, but beating Cotto down takes some serious pressure. I doubt Pac will want to take the fight to him like that. Cotto can change the fight with one shot, and end this fight with one shot.

      Pac may win by UD if he stays away. Cotto needs to be aggressive early. either way, once they trade, it's Pac i'll be worried about.

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      • Clint650
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        #33
        holy ****, who is that in your avatar PRICAN? made my day, thanks!

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        • Walt Liquor
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          #34
          Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496
          I predicted exactly what would happen with JMM vs Mayweather. I said JMM would fight courageously but the size difference would be too much for him against Mayweather.

          Pac will beat Cotto, I predict it will be a stoppage on cuts. Cotto cuts easily and Pacs biggest strength is his foot movement. Cotto is bigger and stronger and has great body punching but you can't hit what you can't catch.

          Then we will see the super fight Pac vs Mayweather. Everyone wants to see it and it will happen.

          When it does, Pac will get KO'd. Why? Because styles make fights. Marquez is a counter puncher, that's why he's never been KO'd. He is a master boxer who counters you. He couldn't do that against Mayweather because Mayweather is faster and a counter puncher as well.

          Pac is an aggressive fighter. Roach will play it smart early on and try to match Floyd's speed from the outside but once the reach and size advantage comes into play, he will try and move forward against Mayweather.

          That will play right into Mayweather's strength and Pac will get caught in the later rounds and KO'd.

          The only one that had a good chance of beating Mayweather was Sugar Shane but we all know Mayweather wants no part of that. He might give him a fight later on but by that time Mosley will be too old and not have a chance to win.

          In his prime, Mosley beats Floyd and so does a prime Oscar but Mayweather played it smart and avoided the prime of these fighters and has a great chance of retiring undefeated.

          You guys can just send me the $49.99 and not bother buying the PPV's because this is how it's going down.
          I favor Shane as well. Excellent post, green k coming.

          However, I also believe Pwill beats Floyd.

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          • oldgringo
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            #35
            Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496
            Then you need to watch some more fights....

            Cotto never touched Marg to the body because Marg was countering with uppercuts all night long. Boxing isn't bar room brawl, there ARE things you can do to counter a body puncher.

            Cotto has to get inside to catch the body, you can't do consistent damage from the outside to the body. You can throw a right to the body ala Mayweather but you leave yourself open to a counter right (or left in Pacs case) and need to have serious speed to pull that off.

            Cotto will chase, Pac will punch and move. Yes Cotto has a chance of catching Pac but it will be slim because Pac is used to fighting much faster fighters than Cotto.

            You can't hit what you can't catch. Pac is lightning fast with his feet, that sets up his hands. The most dangerous speed is not in the hands, it's in your feet.
            As in pretty much any fight, there will be times where this fight comes to something of a standstill. Specifically, Pacquiao won't be moving in and out of Cotto's range for 3:00 of every round. Pacquiao is going to be a target at times and Cotto is going to capitalize on that.

            Cotto is physical enough and intelligent enough to either bully Pacquiao into bad spots or set traps for him. Pacquiao certainly hasn't been facing blazing fast opponents lately. Diaz? Marquez? Drained Oscar? Like many of Cotto's faster opponents have found out, Miguel's speed is going to surprise Pacquiao a bit.

            Unless Pacquiao gives a remarkable performance and blasts Cotto out with something early, this is going to be a fight where Pacquiao takes some degree of punishment. We'll see how he stands up to it against a natural Welterweight.

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            • Cuauhtémoc1520
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              #36
              Originally posted by savorduhflavor
              Umm....that's actually pretty accurate.

              I don't understand where this misconception that Mosley is such a skilled boxer came from.

              He's a very durable, speedy slugger. That's what he is, it's what he's always been. He's very smart, but his boxing skills are really nothing special.

              As for the OP, I can see that happening. I just really don't see Pac getting past Cotto. It's certainly possible, if Cotto can't catch up with Pac's foot speed it's all over, I just think that he will.
              Ummmmm no it's not very accurate at all. Just because Mosley CAN brawl, doesn't make him a brawler.

              He was an OUTSTANDING amateur. He went 96-3 as an amateur and held various prestigious world and National titles from 89'-92'.

              His fights against DLH were pure boxing excellence. His boxing skills are something VERY special. You need to watch some more Mosley fights, especially early in his career.

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              • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                #37
                Originally posted by oldgringo
                As in pretty much any fight, there will be times where this fight comes to something of a standstill. Specifically, Pacquiao won't be moving in and out of Cotto's range for 3:00 of every round. Pacquiao is going to be a target at times and Cotto is going to capitalize on that.

                Cotto is physical enough and intelligent enough to either bully Pacquiao into bad spots or set traps for him. Pacquiao certainly hasn't been facing blazing fast opponents lately. Diaz? Marquez? Drained Oscar? Like many of Cotto's faster opponents have found out, Miguel's speed is going to surprise Pacquiao a bit.

                Unless Pacquiao gives a remarkable performance and blasts Cotto out with something early, this is going to be a fight where Pacquiao takes some degree of punishment. We'll see how he stands up to it against a natural Welterweight.
                Good post and some very good points. I just think that Pac has never shown any problems with endurance. He can go hard and move that way for 12 rounds. The question is can Cotto chase him for 12 rounds?

                We have seen Cotto does taper off at the end of fights. We also seen Cotto cuts. Yes Cotto is the bigger stronger man but don't doubt Pac in this fight, he can stick and move for 12 rounds and I will even say he can hurt Cotto if he catches him with a heavy shot.

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                • WhoreUs
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by RRICAN
                  Timing beats Speed 99.9% of the time ....will see on nov 14 who's better.
                  dumb.

                  speed is a factor in almost all fights.

                  most of the time when a boxer resorts to timing their opponent is when they already concede the fact that they're getting beat to the punch.

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                  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mr._Pink
                    dumb.

                    speed is a factor in almost all fights.

                    most of the time when a boxer resorts to timing their opponent is when they already concede the fact that they're getting beat to the punch.
                    Yea I agree, Marquez has uncanny timing but Mayweathers speed was too much.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by King Flawless
                      Didn't Floyd sign a 5 fight contract??? Who is after winner of Pacman/Cotto and Mosley. I think PBF will move up to 160 and fight Williams
                      Signed with who? I thought he didn't have a boss?

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