Comments Thread For: Shakur Stevenson Believes That Vasiliy Lomachenko Is Limited In Skills

[dannnnn]

Amen. Remember Money May wouldn't let Tank anywhere near Loma and flat out admitted it? Now he's old, 2 weight classes above, (which to be fair is not their fault, that's on Loma) and coming off war....real f'n war....and now everyone gotta talk tough. I've been watching boxing for 42 years, and I boxed for 4 years, and did marital arts for 8 years, and Loma is the most skilled fighter I've ever seen, and what I loved is that he could've easily boxed people's socks off defensively but chose to be aggressive and relentless and pound the soul out of all those dudes. Shakur beat a physically out atched Valdez, I didn't see such "great skill" just a very good fighter beating a guy who was tailor made for him. He may prove special down the road but he hasn't proven anything yet IMO, other than a big mouth and a criminal punk mindset.

I agree 100%. I've been watching boxing for a few decades myself and I thought I'd seen everything, then Lomachenko came along. And to your point about him being aggressive, that's one reason why another of my favourite fighters is Roman Gonzalez. All the skills in the world, uses them aggressively. I feel like he gleaned so much subtle old-school knowledge from being Alexis Arguello's protégé, stuff that doesn't really get taught anymore.

Also, I hope that was a typo and you meant martial arts instead because man, eight years of marital arts is enough to break even the toughest of men lol.

[Rebelrbg]

He does? Why isn't the fight signed yet then? We have a serious issue with people criticizing gladiators. It's insanity to me.

What's insanity to me is Arum allowing Loma, with no belts, to stall the fight to a date that suits him, when Haney, the undisputed champion has already let it be known publicly and privately, that he wants the fight in March.

What's insanity is posters criticizing these young fighters for doing what they're supposed to do by challenging the fighters that the boxing world thinks is great and try to take their positions. No one is upset about Boots and Ortiz coming to fight Errol, who is 32, and Crawford, who is 35.

What's insanity is posters giving Loma excuses before he even fights Haney, Shakur, etc. Its not their fault that he's so-called aging, and losing his ability at a quicker pace than others that we hold to a higher standard like Usyk, who is 35, Fury, 34, and Spence and Bud.

Its not these hungry fighters fault that he is smaller, he chose to be in their weight class, so he gets the beats put on him just like anyone else.

[shakedaddy]

LOL! Yes, that was a typo. Though I've been married almost 15 years, and not having knocked my own self out at least once to spare myself has been its own special art, ha! And a great example you gave on Chocolatito he has same mentality. Holyfield comes to mind too - he had enough skills to make plenty of fights easy decision wins, especially at cruiserweight when he he wasn't at such a size disadvantage, or some of the early heavyweight fights like the 1st Stewart fight. But like Bowe said, "Evander comes to get it!" And I had another typo, "Shakur beat a physically out matched Valdez".

[Lomadeaux]

What's insanity to me is Arum allowing Loma, with no belts, to stall the fight to a date that suits him, when Haney, the undisputed champion has already let it be known publicly and privately, that he wants the fight in March.

What's insanity is posters criticizing these young fighters for doing what they're supposed to do by challenging the fighters that the boxing world thinks is great and try to take their positions. No one is upset about Boots and Ortiz coming to fight Errol, who is 32, and Crawford, who is 35.

What's insanity is posters giving Loma excuses before he even fights Haney, Shakur, etc. Its not their fault that he's so-called aging, and losing his ability at a quicker pace than others that we hold to a higher standard like Usyk, who is 35, Fury, 34, and Spence and Bud.

Its not these hungry fighters fault that he is smaller, he chose to be in their weight class, so he gets the beats put on him just like anyone else.

The issue is the best aren't fighting the best..... THATS the issue.... It's acceptable culture now and needs to change.

[Rebelrbg]

The issue is the best aren't fighting the best..... THATS the issue.... It's acceptable culture now and needs to change.

Haney chose Loma, who many considered the best, at least until they saw that the fight was actually about to be made. Now there's every excuse they can find, his age and size, when none of these excuses are given to his contemporaries. Devin has been calling him out before the age excuse could matter, maybe when Haney beats him, he's just better, plain and simple. But, that's too much for many on here to admit.

[wrecksracer]

Everyone knows that he was robbed, and he's gone on to display the skills he wasn't rightfully recognized for then.

so then he knows it would take skills to win 2 gold medals. What is your opinion? Does it take elite skills to win 2 gold medals? Or did Loma luck his way into them with mere toughness?

[Rebelrbg]

so then he knows it would take skills to win 2 gold medals. What is your opinion? Does it take elite skills to win 2 gold medals? Or did Loma luck his way into them with mere toughness?

I believe that Loma has great skills, just not to the level that fhey are exaggerated. For instance, if Shakur met Loma in the ring at the height of what was considered Loma's prime at 130, though it just doesn't sound right when he's only 34, I believe Stevenson would beat him handily, with no controversy. I believe Floyd would have knocked him out, as he did to everyone, at 130, and Pacquiao would have been an extremely dangerous fight for Loma, possibly also knocking him out. Olympic style boxing is completely different than the professional level.

[Southpaw16]

Lomanchenko is small for his weight class, that’s all there is to it.

[Southpaw16]

I believe that Loma has great skills, just not to the level that fhey are exaggerated. For instance, if Shakur met Loma in the ring at the height of what was considered Loma's prime at 130, though it just doesn't sound right when he's only 34, I believe Stevenson would beat him handily, with no controversy. I believe Floyd would have knocked him out, as he did to everyone, at 130, and Pacquiao would have been an extremely dangerous fight for Loma, possibly also knocking him out. Olympic style boxing is completely different than the professional level.

I really really think he’s a featherweight, even 130 is a big weight class for him. His skills are unreal but you can just tell there are issues with physicality, you notice his punches don’t smack and thud as much as his opponents even in fights where he’s outboxing someone. Can’t see him getting past Haney’s jab.

[tritium_arma]

I believe that Loma has great skills, just not to the level that fhey are exaggerated. For instance, if Shakur met Loma in the ring at the height of what was considered Loma's prime at 130, though it just doesn't sound right when he's only 34, I believe Stevenson would beat him handily, with no controversy. I believe Floyd would have knocked him out, as he did to everyone, at 130, and Pacquiao would have been an extremely dangerous fight for Loma, possibly also knocking him out. Olympic style boxing is completely different than the professional level.

Using age without taking into account style and weightclass is ******. Tell me how many mid 30 year old lightweight champions have there been? Answer, not many. The only one I can think of in recent memory is Casamayor. A smaller older fighter that relies on athleticism and footspeed isn't going to be in his prime in his mid 30's unless you seriously think a person in their 30s is in their athletic prime.