Comments Thread For: Fury: Usyk is Not Big Enough, Strong Enough To Stand Up To The Punches

[kafkod]

I have to disagree on his talents
In my unbiased eyes ( ), he looks goofy trying to look smooth.
He gets away with his clumsiness mainly to his size.
He's dirty as well with all the hitting behind the head, leaning down on a guy and pushing them to the canvas.
I swear to GOD, if he were 6'5'', he'd be no better than 13L.

That's crazy talk. Fury obviously has talents and attributes that Chisora never had.

His most important attribute is his exceptional ring IQ. Fury knows boxing and he knows who else knows boxing and who can best help him develop a style that suits his physical attributes. He has changed trainers several times and with each change he added new skills to the ones he learned from his previous trainer and evolved as a fighter.

If he'd been 6.5 he would still have evolved and developed a different style that would have been just as effective, imo

[PRINCEKOOL]

Pound for pound Tyson Fury is not the athlete Usyk or Joshua are 'That is a fact'.

This is not a Usain Bolt situation. Bolt was a different dimension to not all sprinters in history, but against the top sprinters around at his time 'Bolt when you analyse the individual attributes of fitness was also superior, accept for Technique'. Tyson Fury is not that type of athlete, he is not a better athlete than these guys.

That is the difference between Fury, and for example a super heavyweight like Lennox Lewis. Lewis very rarely stepped inside the ring with a fighter who was better than him in terms of brute strength or athleticism. Lewis was always pound for pound able to compete with any fighter in this area.

Fury is a super heavyweight, yes who can move, and he can fight in all area's 'Fury is a complete fighter'.

But he is not super great in any area. Fury is not a monster puncher, does not have monster endurance, he is clumsy, and technically he does make unforced errors.

The difference is with Fury and most other Heavyweights at top level. Is that like I said before, he is a multi-dimensional fighter.

Inside Game, Mid-Range Game, Long-Range Game, and Rough house tactics game. Fury can have a go in all areas.

Heavyweight boxing since the end of the 90's, has seen the rise of fighters and super heavyweights at top level who don't or cannot fight on the inside 'And who have no idea what rough house tactics are'.

Usyk mainly fights from mid-long range. But he is extremely good in these area's, I actually upped his rating in these area's after the Joshua wins 'Usyk also has elite level endurance'.

Usyk's inside game has been found to not be great, he could not do much vs Chisora. Maybe Usyk has improved this area since then, and I think he would of had to moving into the fight with Tyson Fury.

Note: If Tyson Fury is to win this fight, I think it will be due to his inside game and rough house tactics. But just like Joshua, I think Fury will have to get Usyk out of there between 5-8 rounds. If Fury does not achieve this, if he does not hurt or stop Usyk in his tracks at any point. Fury will fatigued and make unforced errors, and possibly start to be beaten up in the latter part of the fight. I honestly think this fight is going to play out similar to the Joshua vs Usyk fights 'With Fury doing better than Joshua at using rough house tactics and inside game'.

Even if Usyk wins the first fight, I think it would be even more difficult for him to duplicate the performance in the rematch. People over look the fact that it was Joshua, not Usyk who fought a better fight by some margin in their rematch 'And if there was ever a third Joshua vs Usyk fight, I believe that trajectory will continue'.

Usyk does strikes me as a heavyweight, who wants to beat these guys then bounce. I don't think he has that same type of staying game of Holyfield etc.

[kafkod]

He might not look good but I think it’s something you find out when you get in the ring with him. You see how quick he is and how much his movement combined with his size and dirty tactics, power and speed, make all the difference.

I think Valuev was extra goofy looking and really slow. The guy lost to 46 year old Holyfield. But Fury is a way different big man.

Because of Fury's size and unusual physique he often looks ungainly and clumsy while pulling complicated moves, like shifting stance while stepping in to close distance and throwing combinations at the same time.

But aesthetics is one thing and effectiveness is another. What Fury does works. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

[SN!PER]

Every time I play this fight in my head, I see Usyk struggling to defend himself and the referee having to pull Fury off of him.

I see Fury cutting the ring off and getting extremely physical... using an elbow or stiff arm to Usyk's face, putting him in a headlock, leaning on him, forcing him back into the ropes, and just constantly pounding him on the arms, head, ribs, shoulders, back, any part of him that's exposed and breaking through Usyk's guard with his long arms and big fists. It's a terrible night for Usyk and he's gonna look like he's been through World War 3 by the end of the fight.

[kafkod]

Pound for pound Tyson Fury is not the athlete Usyk or Joshua are 'That is a fact'.

This is not a Usain Bolt situation. Bolt was a different dimension to not all sprinters in history, but against the top sprinters around at his time 'Bolt when you analyse the individual attributes of fitness was also superior, accept for Technique'. Tyson Fury is not that type of athlete, he is not a better athlete than these guys.

That is the difference between Fury, and for example a super heavyweight like Lennox Lewis. Lewis very rarely stepped inside the ring with a fighter who was better than him in terms of brute strength or athleticism. Lewis was always pound for pound able to compete with any fighter in this area.

Fury is a super heavyweight, yes who can move, and he can fight in all area's 'Fury is a complete fighter'.

But he is not super great in any area. Fury is not a monster puncher, does not have monster endurance, he is clumsy, and technically he does make unforced errors.

The difference is with Fury and most other Heavyweights at top level. Is that like I said before, he is a multi-dimensional fighter.

Inside Game, Mid-Range Game, Long-Range Game, and Rough house tactics game. Fury can have a go in all areas.

Heavyweight boxing since the end of the 90's, has seen the rise of fighters and super heavyweights at top level who don't or cannot fight on the inside 'And who have no idea what rough house tactics are'.

Usyk mainly fights from mid-long range. But he is extremely good in these area's, I actually upped his rating in these area's after the Joshua wins 'Usyk also has elite level endurance'.

Usyk's inside game has been found to not be great, he could not do much vs Chisora. Maybe Usyk has improved this area since then, and I think he would of had to moving into the fight with Tyson Fury.

Note: If Tyson Fury is to win this fight, I think it will be due to his inside game and rough house tactics. But just like Joshua, I think Fury will have to get Usyk out of there between 5-8 rounds. If Fury does not achieve this, if he does not hurt or stop Usyk in his tracks at any point. Fury will fatigued and make unforced errors, and possibly start to be beaten up in the latter part of the fight. I honestly think this fight is going to play out similar to the Joshua vs Usyk fights 'With Fury doing better than Joshua at using rough house tactics and inside game'.

Even if Usyk wins the first fight, I think it would be even more difficult for him to duplicate the performance in the rematch. People over look the fact that it was Joshua, not Usyk who fought a better fight by some margin in their rematch 'And if there was ever a third Joshua vs Usyk fight, I believe that trajectory will continue'.

Usyk does strikes me as a heavyweight, who wants to beat these guys then bounce. I don't think he has that same type of staying game of Holyfield etc.

"But he is not super great in any area. Fury is not a monster puncher, does not have monster endurance, he is clumsy, and technically he does make unforced errors."

You're underestimating Fury. Lewis was a better athlete with superior one punch power. But Fury has a better chin, superior powers of recovery after getting hurt, and the switch hitting, stance shifting moves he pulls off are something never before seen from a guy anywhere close to his size.

And he doesn't make many unforced errors. He used to at one time, but not now. Yes, he did forget about defence and got dropped hard in the last Wilder fight but that was a case of familiarity breeding contempt. He'd beaten Wilder easily in their previous fight and seemed to be on his way to doing it again until that lapse of concentration put him in trouble. But who else but Wilder has the ability to make Fury pay for a mistake by dropping him and putting him in that kind of trouble with one punch? Not Usyk, that's for sure!

I think the referee will be critical in a Fury/Usyk fight. A lenient ref who allows the kind of borderline illegal infighting Fury used against Wilder will make it an uphill struggle for Usyk. A fussier ref who separates them every time they tie up close and it will be advantage Usyk, imo.

[PRINCEKOOL]

"But he is not super great in any area. Fury is not a monster puncher, does not have monster endurance, he is clumsy, and technically he does make unforced errors."

You're underestimating Fury. Lewis was a better athlete with superior one punch power. But Fury has a better chin, superior powers of recovery after getting hurt, and the switch hitting, stance shifting moves he pulls off are something never before seen from a guy anywhere close to his size.

And he doesn't make many unforced errors. He used to at one time, but not now. Yes, he did forget about defence and got dropped hard in the last Wilder fight but that was a case of familiarity breeding contempt. He'd beaten Wilder easily in their previous fight and seemed to be on his way to doing it again until that lapse of concentration put him in trouble. But who else but Wilder has the ability to make Fury pay for a mistake by dropping him and putting him in that kind of trouble with one punch? Not Usyk, that's for sure!

I think the referee will be critical in a Fury/Usyk fight. A lenient ref who allows the kind of borderline illegal infighting Fury used against Wilder will make it an uphill struggle for Usyk. A fussier ref who separates them every time they tie up close and it will be advantage Usyk, imo.

Fury does make unforced errors. Wilder is not a sophisticated offensive fighter, and he was still able to deck Fury 5 times or more over 3 fights. Wilder was able to land his biggest punchers on Fury.

Stylistically Wilder should not be able to do this vs Fury.

During the third fight, it was a great match up in terms of passion and aggression. But skill for skill it was not a high level fight, both fighters were all over the place technically 'Fury was making mistakes and was not technically sound, if Wilder had a more varied sophisticated offense? Fury may have been beaten'.

Usyk will test Fury in different ways to which Wilder did. Fury skill for skill has not really been tested, and he has not fought at elite level skill for skill since Kiltschko.

Fury has barely fought at World level skill for skill, when we are talking about pure boxing ability.

And that is no disrespect to Wilder, because I rate Deontay Wilder extremely highly. I rate his power, aggression, determination and he does have a solid Jab 'But overall skill for skill Wilder is not a elite level fighter'.

[kafkod]

Fury does make unforced errors. Wilder is not a sophisticated offensive fighter, and he was still able to deck Fury 5 times or more over 3 fights. Wilder was able to land his biggest punchers on Fury.

Stylistically Wilder should not be able to do this vs Fury.

During the third fight, it was a great match up in terms of passion and aggression. But skill for skill it was not a high level fight, both fighters were all over the place technically 'Fury was making mistakes and was not technically sound, if Wilder had a more varied sophisticated offense? Fury may have been beaten'.

Usyk will test Fury in different ways to which Wilder did. Fury skill for skill has not really been tested, and he has not fought at elite level skill for skill since Kiltschko.

Fury has barely fought at World level skill for skill, when we are talking about pure boxing ability.

And that is no disrespect to Wilder, because I rate Deontay Wilder extremely highly. I rate his power, aggression, determination and he does have a solid Jab 'But overall skill for skill Wilder is not a elite level fighter'.

Wider dropped Fury 4 times, not 5 or more ... twice in the first fight, when Fury was weak from losing too much weight too quickly, and twice more in the trilogy. Both the trilogy knockdowns happened because of one unforced error by Fury. I agree that the trilogy was a sloppy fight generally. It was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from Fury. Like I said, familiarity breeds contempt and he was overconfident after his easy win in the 2nd fight.

But how many unforced errors did he make in the second fight, or against Whyte, when he was focused and concentrating on his game? Not a single one, that I noticed.

I'm expecting Fury to be focused and concentrating 100% against Usyk. He may not win, because Usyk may turn out to be too fast and tricky even for him, but he'll be on his game, for sure.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Wider dropped Fury 4 times, not 5 or more ... twice in the first fight, when Fury was weak from losing too much weight too quickly, and twice more in the trilogy. Both the trilogy knockdowns happened because of one unforced error by Fury. I agree that the trilogy was a sloppy fight generally. It was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from Fury. Like I said, familiarity breeds contempt and he was overconfident after his easy win in the 2nd fight.

But how many unforced errors did he make in the second fight, or against Whyte, when he was focused and concentrating on his game? Not a single one, that I noticed.

I'm expecting Fury to be focused and concentrating 100% against Usyk. He may not win, because Usyk may turn out to be too fast and tricky even for him, but he'll be on his game, for sure.

Fury was a mess in the third fight, and was all over the place. He was making unforced errors throughout the entire fight.

Like I said? Wilder if he had a more sophisticated offense, and varied attacks? He most likely would of beaten Fury.

That version of Fury vs Wilder III, in my opinion would of been decked and ****** about by many past great heavyweights.

Usyk does not have to deck or knock out Fury, but? If Fury thinks he can just wade into the Usyk fight, making unforced errors and being a mess 'Fury may not be knocked out, but he may be beaten up'.

Tyson Fury is still the favorite. But it is a fact that he has not really fought a world or elite level skill for skill for 7 years. Otto Wallin was the last half decent pure boxer he faced, and he had no issue finding Fury inside the ring and busting him up real good 'Wallin at that time was a domestic to European level fighter, even now? Wallin on performance and Merritt is not a proven World level fighter'.

Fury when he fights Uysk, is entering back into a elite level of boxing skill for skill.

Fury is facing a different type of stylistic challenge vs Usyk.

This probably going to be a fight of two halfs. Fury just like Joshua, I think has to get Usyk out of their between 5-8 rounds.

Even if Usyk wins this first fight, I would once again make Fury the favorite to win the rematch. If Usyk is going to beat Fury, his best opportunity is straight out of the blocks in the first fight.

[kafkod]

Fury was a mess in the third fight, and was all over the place. He was making unforced errors throughout the entire fight.

Like I said? Wilder if he had a more sophisticated offense, and varied attacks? He most likely would of beaten Fury.

That version of Fury vs Wilder III, in my opinion would of been decked and ****** about by many past great heavyweights.

Usyk does not have to deck or knock out Fury, but? If Fury thinks he can just wade into the Usyk fight, making unforced errors and being a mess 'Fury may not be knocked out, but he may be beaten up'.

Tyson Fury is still the favorite. But it is a fact that he has not really fought a world or elite level skill for skill for 7 years. Otto Wallin was the last half decent pure boxer he faced, and he had no issue finding Fury inside the ring and busting him up real good 'Wallin at that time was a domestic to European level fighter, even now? Wallin on performance and Merritt is not a proven World level fighter'.

Fury when he fights Uysk, is entering back into a elite level of boxing skill for skill.

Fury is facing a different type of stylistic challenge vs Usyk.

Absolutely, and Fury knows it, despite all his bluster and derogatory comments about Usyk. That's why we're going to see a different Fury than the one we saw against Wallin and against Wilder in the trilogy.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Usyk was "too small" for Joshua also.

If I hate anything in boxing, I hate hyping one guy. And Fury hype is getting out of control. Just like Canelo hype before Bivol fight.