Comments Thread For: Gervonta Davis: I Think Ryan Garcia Is Being Lazy Not Taking A Fight Before Our Fight

[crimsonfalcon07]

Haney is a far better complete fighter who’s dedicated to his craft. Garcia is talented, kinda like an Amir Kahn kinda guy. He has no boxing IQ.
He’s more dedicated to his website than boxing.

Next time read. I said they were bigger draws. That's as undisputed as Haney's titles. I didn't say they were more complete fighters, and frankly, we won't know that unless they fight.

I don't disagree that Haney is likely a better boxer in many ways, although he is severely lacking in the power department, which both Tank and Ryan have. But even so, he doesn't sell tickets. It should say something that he's the undisputed champion and he still isn't PPV worthy. I like watching him work, but casuals by and large find him boring. He's a lot like Rigondeaux in that respect.

[MONGOOSE66]

Next time read. I said they were bigger draws. That's as undisputed as Haney's titles. I didn't say they were more complete fighters, and frankly, we won't know that unless they fight.

I don't disagree that Haney is likely a better boxer in many ways, although he is severely lacking in the power department, which both Tank and Ryan have. But even so, he doesn't sell tickets. It should say something that he's the undisputed champion and he still isn't PPV worthy. I like watching him work, but casuals by and large find him boring. He's a lot like Rigondeaux in that respect.

How gives a fook about draws? A true boxing connoisseur isn’t looking for a fooken popularity contest but I digress. Most girls on here are into watching The Bachelor, Kadashians and the Real housewives, like YOU. So save your boolsheeit reasoning for someone who is like you. I’m not.

[crimsonfalcon07]

How gives a fook about draws?

You probably meant "who", so I'll answer the assumed question.

The people who care about being a draw are promoters, boxers, and the vast majority of fans. Frankly, if you were a real "connoisseur" you would know this. You'd probably know this if you had any experience in the ring.

A promoter won't even sign you if they don't think you have potential to be a good draw. They won't put you in the big platforms to get more eyeballs on, and you certainly won't get PPV's because there's no point. You could be one of the best boxers in the world, and if you're not a good draw, you're going to struggle getting the big fights that the fans want to see. Terrence Crawford is probably the highest profile example of that. He couldn't get any of the big fights under a Hall of Fame boxing promoter, despite being one of the greats of a generation and a great finisher with all the skills, but even then he couldn't sell well. And I'm a big fan of TC, and think that a good portion of the fault lies with Haymon and the PBC "side of the street." But if he weren't the sort of fighter that Arum "lost money on" every time he fought, people would have been chasing him like they were chasing Canelo.

Then, if you're a crappy draw, other fighters won't want to fight you because they figure they'll look bad even if they win. That's the Demetrius Andrade or Guillermo Rigondeaux type. Or Haney and Shakur Stevenson for that matter. There's a good chunk of casuals who think they're boring, and don't want to watch them. They're all very gifted fighters, but they struggle to land good fights because they're high risk and virtually no reward.

Even if it weren't that case, prize fighters will generally want the fights that lead them to bigger and bigger paydays. So all things being equal, most would rather take on softer touches for the same payday than someone who might make them look bad and still not give them extra money.

And fans want to watch exciting fighters. It's literally by definition that if you're not a draw that fans don't want to watch you fight. So you're functionally advocating for boxers to cater to a tiny subset of the population for absolutely no benefit whatsoever. And even then it's a losing proposition because people like you aren't actually really fans, and will jump to conclusions or dislike fighters for a wide multitude of reasons, such as race, them being too small, etc. I've seen your biases several times already in other topics. So you can pretend to be special all you want, but probably only your mother will buy what you're selling.

If you were really a connoisseur, you'd understand how prizefighting works. And that's not even getting into the politics of it, or the sanctioning bodies, or commissions, etc.

[MONGOOSE66]

You probably meant "who", so I'll answer the assumed question.

The people who care about being a draw are promoters, boxers, and the vast majority of fans. Frankly, if you were a real "connoisseur" you would know this. You'd probably know this if you had any experience in the ring.

A promoter won't even sign you if they don't think you have potential to be a good draw. They won't put you in the big platforms to get more eyeballs on, and you certainly won't get PPV's because there's no point. You could be one of the best boxers in the world, and if you're not a good draw, you're going to struggle getting the big fights that the fans want to see. Terrence Crawford is probably the highest profile example of that. He couldn't get any of the big fights under a Hall of Fame boxing promoter, despite being one of the greats of a generation and a great finisher with all the skills, but even then he couldn't sell well. And I'm a big fan of TC, and think that a good portion of the fault lies with Haymon and the PBC "side of the street." But if he weren't the sort of fighter that Arum "lost money on" every time he fought, people would have been chasing him like they were chasing Canelo.

Then, if you're a crappy draw, other fighters won't want to fight you because they figure they'll look bad even if they win. That's the Demetrius Andrade or Guillermo Rigondeaux type. Or Haney and Shakur Stevenson for that matter. There's a good chunk of casuals who think they're boring, and don't want to watch them. They're all very gifted fighters, but they struggle to land good fights because they're high risk and virtually no reward.

Even if it weren't that case, prize fighters will generally want the fights that lead them to bigger and bigger paydays. So all things being equal, most would rather take on softer touches for the same payday than someone who might make them look bad and still not give them extra money.

And fans want to watch exciting fighters. It's literally by definition that if you're not a draw that fans don't want to watch you fight. So you're functionally advocating for boxers to cater to a tiny subset of the population for absolutely no benefit whatsoever. And even then it's a losing proposition because people like you aren't actually really fans, and will jump to conclusions or dislike fighters for a wide multitude of reasons, such as race, them being too small, etc. I've seen your biases several times already in other topics. So you can pretend to be special all you want, but probably only your mother will buy what you're selling.

If you were really a connoisseur, you'd understand how prizefighting works. And that's not even getting into the politics of it, or the sanctioning bodies, or commissions, etc.

You sound like a business man. I’m not interested in your perspective of boxing. I care about the sweet science. Ever get in the ring? Learn timing, technique, set ups?

[kiaba360]

It's a mistake to not stay active. Fighting Gesta would have given Ryan some needed rounds, a look against a southpaw, plus more time to absorb Joe Goosen's teachings.

The flip-side: Gesta beats him, Gesta makes him look bad which could effect the financial success of Garcia/Davis, Ryan gets injured before or during the Gesta fight.

I guess Ryan weighed his options, and made his choice. This choice shouldn't really surprise anyone. Ryan is very much about money, and he's been calling out Davis for a while. Ryan made the decision that puts the Davis fight in the least amount of danger.

[ShoulderRoll]

The flip-side: Gesta beats him, Gesta makes him look bad which could effect the financial success of Garcia/Davis, Ryan gets injured before or during the Gesta fight.

I guess Ryan weighed his options, and made his choice. This choice shouldn't really surprise anyone. Ryan is very much about money, and he's been calling out Davis for a while. Ryan made the decision that puts the Davis fight in the least amount of danger.

Gesta sucks. He wouldn't have beaten Ryan.

[kiaba360]

Gesta sucks. He wouldn't have beaten Ryan.

So why bother? I don't think that a fight before Davis is a bad idea, but he should've chosen a tougher opponent than Gesta that's gonna push him. Gesta isn't worth the wear-and-tear of a training camp, in addition to the risk of injury. It's just a ****** decision to make, and everyone here will be saying so if something happened to put the Davis fight in jeopardy.

Now Davis is running around accusing him of juicing, presumably because he dropped the Gesta fight. Ryan is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

[ShoulderRoll]

So why bother? I don't think that a fight before Davis is a bad idea, but he should've chosen a tougher opponent than Gesta that's gonna push him. Gesta isn't worth the wear-and-tear of a training camp, in addition to the risk of injury. It's just a ****** decision to make, and everyone here will be saying so if something happened to put the Davis fight in jeopardy.

Now Davis is running around accusing him of juicing, presumably because he dropped the Gesta fight. Ryan is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Garcia should bother with Gesta so that he can tick over, against a southpaw. Instead of being off for nearly a year when he steps into the ring with Tank.

[kiaba360]

Garcia should bother with Gesta so that he can tick over, against a southpaw. Instead of being off for nearly a year when he steps into the ring with Tank.

Then he can bring in Gesta as a sparring partner lol

[ShoulderRoll]

Then he can bring in Gesta as a sparring partner lol

That's not really the same as going through a full training camp and fight night.