Comments Thread For: Stanionis-Ortiz: Golden Boy Promotions ($2,300,000) Secures Rights To WBA 'Regular' Welterweight Title Fight

[Rebelrbg]

Oscar didn't move Ortiz away from Crawford and petition the WBA to fight Stanionis by mistake. Think about that for a moment. Ortiz by late stoppage. They, real boxing people, 've scouted him

Nah, Oscar makes a lot of mistakes that he still can't live down, like having Zurdo calling out Bivol for years. Stanionis puts Ortiz to sleep in thunderous fashion in 7.

[Bronx2245]

Both guys aimed for the fighter above them in the sanctioning body hiearchy. I don't see the difference.



As for the match-up itself, I'm sure it'll be a great one. Both guys are there to be hit. I think Stanionis has the tighter defense, but he really got marked up against Butaev.

Ortiz Jr. is WBO#1, and has been for some time, and he didn't go after Crawford! Stanionis definitely went after Spence Jr.! That's the difference!

[kiaba360]

Ortiz Jr. is WBO#1, and has been for some time, and he didn't go after Crawford! Stanionis definitely went after Spence Jr.! That's the difference!

I blame the WBO for not applying pressure and consolidating their top 5. Ortiz fought McKinson to enhance his WBA standing, so him going after Stanionis is not surprising. In another thread, I said that I believe GBP perceives Crawford as an emergency option should the WBA route not bear fruit. If he loses to Stanionis/Spence or those fights fall through, he still has the WBO route to fall back on.

If you're implying that he doesn't want to face Crawford, that's fair. But at least Ortiz isn't behaving like Munguia who keeps fighting one no-hoper after another.

[hhh1200]

Nah, Oscar makes a lot of mistakes that he still can't live down, like having Zurdo calling out Bivol for years. Stanionis puts Ortiz to sleep in thunderous fashion in 7.

Ortiz and Stanley closer in skillset than 44-0 (can smasher) and Bivol. I stated many times pre-Bivol what I thought of the likes of Benavidez (piece up by a TMT fighter), Jermall, and the GREAT Ramirez 40 cans 4 contender 1 somebody = 44-1

Ortiz is going to beat this dude. It's a mistake putting Ortiz in with Crawford. Oscar just fixed that after walking away from 2 WBO #1 ranking WBO mandatory opportunities. Unless you are telling me Stann is a better fighter than Crawford?

[Rebelrbg]

Ortiz and Stanley closer in skillset than 44-0 (can smasher) and Bivol. I stated many times pre-Bivol what I thought of the likes of Benavidez (piece up by a TMT fighter), Jermall, and the GREAT Ramirez 40 cans 4 contender 1 somebody = 44-1

Ortiz is going to beat this dude. It's a mistake putting Ortiz in with Crawford. Oscar just fixed that after walking away from 2 WBO #1 ranking WBO mandatory opportunities. Unless you are telling me Stann is a better fighter than Crawford?

No, I'm not saying that he's a better fighter than Crawford, I'm clearly saying that he's better than Ortiz. But, that doesn't mean that I think Bud beats either one of them just because he's a better boxer. Crawford was getting hit way too much against Avanesyen's pressure, and both Ortiz and Stanionis fight using overwhelming pressure, but are on a much higher level than David. Both of them carry more power, better punch selections, and they use a very strong, stiff jab; something Avanesyen didn't throw at all to set up his shots. If Bud were to face them, they would present a much higher threat to knocking him out.

[Bronx2245]

I blame the WBO for not applying pressure and consolidating their top 5. Ortiz fought McKinson to enhance his WBA standing, so him going after Stanionis is not surprising. In another thread, I said that I believe GBP perceives Crawford as an emergency option should the WBA route not bear fruit. If he loses to Stanionis/Spence or those fights fall through, he still has the WBO route to fall back on.

If you're implying that he doesn't want to face Crawford, that's fair. But at least Ortiz isn't behaving like Munguia who keeps fighting one no-hoper after another.

That's what I was implying! Boots & Stanionis want that title shot ASAP! Ortiz, not so much! I have no idea what the problem is with Munguia? Maybe they're so fixated on GGG, that they can't think straight? They should've taken that fight with Alimkhanuly! If GBP won the purse bid for Stanionis, they could've won the purse bid for Alimkhanuly! Bob didn't even try hard to get Prograis vs. Zepeda!

[kiaba360]

That's what I was implying! Boots & Stanionis want that title shot ASAP! Ortiz, not so much! I have no idea what the problem is with Munguia? Maybe they're so fixated on GGG, that they can't think straight? They should've taken that fight with Alimkhanuly!If GBP won the purse bid for Stanionis, they could've won the purse bid for Alimkhanuly! Bob didn't even try hard to get Prograis vs. Zepeda!

Everyone is hunting Spence and not Crawford. Some potential reasons: Spence has more titles than TC, promoters/networks don't want to do business with TC, Spence is perceived as the lower risk/higher reward opponent. I think it's a combination of all three for GBP. They may not like Crawford's asking price, so they may not even bother making an offer. Spence/Ortiz could potentially be a stadium fight in Texas.

It's possible that GBP has little faith in Munguia beating Janibek, so why risk the money when Janibek would get the lion's share anyway? GBP is preserving Munguia for GGG, and hopefully this doesn't blow up in their faces. GBP's nightmare scenario is GGG turning back the clock and beating the brakes of Munguia.

[Bronx2245]

Everyone is hunting Spence and not Crawford. Some potential reasons: Spence has more titles than TC, promoters/networks don't want to do business with TC, Spence is perceived as the lower risk/higher reward opponent. I think it's a combination of all three for GBP. They may not like Crawford's asking price, so they may not even bother making an offer. Spence/Ortiz could potentially be a stadium fight in Texas.

It's possible that GBP has little faith in Munguia beating Janibek, so why risk the money when Janibek would get the lion's share anyway? GBP is preserving Munguia for GGG, and hopefully this doesn't blow up in their faces. GBP's nightmare scenario is GGG turning back the clock and beating the brakes of Munguia.

I think Ortiz defintely wants that big show in Dallas, but I doubt Spence fights anyone at 147 after Thurman, unless it's Terence Crawford! Janibek would get the Lion's share, but so is Stanionis! I don't think that GBP believes Ortiz can beat Crawford, nor do they believe Munguia can beat Janibek!

[Chrismart]

Nice fight.

[kiaba360]

I think Ortiz defintely wants that big show in Dallas, but I doubt Spence fights anyone at 147 after Thurman, unless it's Terence Crawford! Janibek would get the Lion's share, but so is Stanionis! I don't think that GBP believes Ortiz can beat Crawford, nor do they believe Munguia can beat Janibek!

...but it appears like they do believe Ortiz can beat Stanionis, if they're willing to pay him probably his biggest purse ever. Regardless of how fans are currently feeling about Crawford, I think everyone would agree that TC presents a more complex challenge than Stanionis. It isn't rocket science...if you wanna keep Ortiz winning, go after Stanionis because he has a higher chance of beating him.

Ortiz vs. Stanionis/Spence/Crawford, I know I'm gonna enjoy all of these match-ups.