Comments Thread For: Hearn On Joshua: Fighting Whyte, Fury, Wilder in 2023 Would Be a Fantastic Year

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There are a number of reasons why experts believe that Anthony Joshua should be able to beat Deontay Wilder in a matchup, but not Tyson Fury. For one, Joshua is a much more technically skilled boxer, and his more muscular frame gives him a considerable advantage over Wilder, who has difficulty fighting opponents who box well on the inside and know how to make use of the clinch to their advantage. Furthermore, Joshua has shown an ability to make adjustments in the ring, and he has shown significant improvement since his early days as a professional. Finally, contrary to what is often said about him, Joshua has a significantly solid chin and has never been knocked out cold or counted out when he was down. He always gets up. While Wilder should be able to catch him and put him down, I doubt that he will stay down.
In contrast, Fury is a very different kind of boxer. He is not as technically skilled as Joshua, but he is incredibly quick and elusive, and he has shown an ability to frustrate opponents with his style and can fight well from the outside and beat someone up on the inside as well. Fury also has a significant height advantage over Joshua, which could be crucial in a matchup between the two.
So, while Joshua has the potential to beat Wilder, Fury will likely pose a much tougher challenge.

[Toffee]

There are a number of reasons why experts believe that Anthony Joshua should be able to beat Deontay Wilder in a matchup, but not Tyson Fury. For one, Joshua is a much more technically skilled boxer, and his more muscular frame gives him a considerable advantage over Wilder, who has difficulty fighting opponents who box well on the inside and know how to make use of the clinch to their advantage. Furthermore, Joshua has shown an ability to make adjustments in the ring, and he has shown significant improvement since his early days as a professional. Finally, contrary to what is often said about him, Joshua has a significantly solid chin and has never been knocked out cold or counted out when he was down. He always gets up. While Wilder should be able to catch him and put him down, I doubt that he will stay down.
In contrast, Fury is a very different kind of boxer. He is not as technically skilled as Joshua, but he is incredibly quick and elusive, and he has shown an ability to frustrate opponents with his style and can fight well from the outside and beat someone up on the inside as well. Fury also has a significant height advantage over Joshua, which could be crucial in a matchup between the two.
So, while Joshua has the potential to beat Wilder, Fury will likely pose a much tougher challenge.

I've always seen it the other way round. I think a hungry Joshua beats Fury. I think Joshua v Wilder is a 50/50. Joshua will never get near Usyk.

Fury beats Usyk 7/10, and beats Wilder every time.

Wilder smashes Usyk to bits.

Easy to make predictions though as we'll not see most of those fights to prove things one way or another. If they all did I'd predict Fury comes out on top, but not undefeated.

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I've always seen it the other way round. I think a hungry Joshua beats Fury. I think Joshua v Wilder is a 50/50. Joshua will never get near Usyk.

Fury beats Usyk 7/10, and beats Wilder every time.

Wilder smashes Usyk to bits.

Easy to make predictions though as we'll not see most of those fights to prove things one way or another. If they all did I'd predict Fury comes out on top, but not undefeated.

Stylistically this version of Fury is a more winnable fight for Joshua.

1: I don't think Fury has suddenly become a monster puncher.

2: His speed is overrated, and also his endurance. I compared all the statistics from Joshua's top fights vs Fury's. And Joshua is producing more out put, and work rate than Fury or at-least matching him in all of their biggest fights at elite level.

3: Fighters can find him inside the ring.

The Power, the share chaotic and ballistic style of Wilder, combined with his gameness is just stylistically a very dangerous fight for Joshua.

Fury was doing nothing much vs Whyte until the knock out. Whyte even though he could hardly move was able to get close to Fury.

What Joshua showed in the Usyk's fights, was that from mid-long range, he actually is a quite a good boxer. If Fury plans on closing down the range and fighting on the the inside vs Joshua 'Like he did vs Wilder'.

Joshua's offense has more range, and variation than WIlder's. Joshua may not be hitting Fury with WIlder type power, but his punches will still be damaging.

It is close fight to call, but I think Joshua can be competitive vs Fury.

Stylistically Wilder is a more difficult fight because, I don't think Joshua has the inside game to fight Wilder the same way Fury did etc. Therefore he is always going to be fighting at mid-long range, which is the danger zone vs Wilder 'That is precisely where he wants his opponents to fight him from'.

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Hearn just using Wilder and Fury's name to try and keep AJ relevant.

Hearn will never allow Joshua to fight either of them because he knows they both end his career via brutal KO.

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Hearn just using Wilder and Fury's name to try and keep AJ relevant.

Hearn will never allow Joshua to fight either of them because he knows they both end his career via brutal KO.

Fury's looking at permanent KO by rope when he has to retire. Sad for his six kids.

[Robi13]

If Joshua does that, and wind all three… sheesh, in my opinion it’s FOY guarantee, and solidify him as a HOF and possibly ATG.. or am I reaching with the ATG tag?

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There are a number of reasons why experts believe that Anthony Joshua should be able to beat Deontay Wilder in a matchup, but not Tyson Fury. For one, Joshua is a much more technically skilled boxer, and his more muscular frame gives him a considerable advantage over Wilder, who has difficulty fighting opponents who box well on the inside and know how to make use of the clinch to their advantage. Furthermore, Joshua has shown an ability to make adjustments in the ring, and he has shown significant improvement since his early days as a professional. Finally, contrary to what is often said about him, Joshua has a significantly solid chin and has never been knocked out cold or counted out when he was down. He always gets up. While Wilder should be able to catch him and put him down, I doubt that he will stay down.
In contrast, Fury is a very different kind of boxer. He is not as technically skilled as Joshua, but he is incredibly quick and elusive, and he has shown an ability to frustrate opponents with his style and can fight well from the outside and beat someone up on the inside as well. Fury also has a significant height advantage over Joshua, which could be crucial in a matchup between the two.
So, while Joshua has the potential to beat Wilder, Fury will likely pose a much tougher challenge.

also one thing we always forget is that we are all watching not noticing that between the two men there is that thing where they are talking to each other and feeling the intimidation and will of the other man, When I boxed years ago there is this thing of confidence where you feel "this man is bottling it I've got him" or "**** i feel intimidated he is too much"
A really good example is frank bruno vs tim witherspoon where tim said i knew i had him because when we were close he felt frightened and i knew it. Or bruno vs tyson where bruno felt scared of tyson's whole enigma or whole story. Tyson knew bruno was scared and when he is scared he cant be professional and remember when he learned in the gym.
I watched some interviews etc about Joshua a while back and I happen to think that in his first fight with ruiz Joshua was thinking a lot that Fury is so popular and why am boxing anyway and he felt dejected. That is what people always forget. I remember the late jonah lomu in rugby for new zealand the england players after said that up close you just feel frightened and he knows it and you kind of buckle and forget tactics. Or to put it like my brother would say "he **** himself"

I really think people forget that aspect and yet it is what makes the difference. Tyson beat a lot of guys because they were terrified, Bruno's team said that when fighting tyson they could hear the gangsters next door and tupac was there and we all felt really scared and intimidated and it mattered that. That is something we watching on tele dont really take into account. That is why Fury wins. Because when the two men meet he lets them know he's boss and the other guy feels it. Do you kind of know what I am getting at at all????

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Just to add to that. There was a meeting of Fury and Usek at a fight and in the crowd they met and fury rubbed his hair and patted him and went to tickle his belly like you do with a little kid. See, usek should have pushed his hand away and said "dont F****ng do that" but he just accepted it and that is a small victory to Fury and these things matter, Ali against foreman ali kept saying to foreman "i am the greatest you know im your idol ive got god on my side who is backing you " etc etc and it worked foreman felt weak and beaten and dejected. mind games all that matters more then we notice watching on tele.

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also one thing we always forget is that we are all watching not noticing that between the two men there is that thing where they are talking to each other and feeling the intimidation and will of the other man, When I boxed years ago there is this thing of confidence where you feel "this man is bottling it I've got him" or "**** i feel intimidated he is too much"
A really good example is frank bruno vs tim witherspoon where tim said i knew i had him because when we were close he felt frightened and i knew it. Or bruno vs tyson where bruno felt scared of tyson's whole enigma or whole story. Tyson knew bruno was scared and when he is scared he cant be professional and remember when he learned in the gym.
I watched some interviews etc about Joshua a while back and I happen to think that in his first fight with ruiz Joshua was thinking a lot that Fury is so popular and why am boxing anyway and he felt dejected. That is what people always forget. I remember the late jonah lomu in rugby for new zealand the england players after said that up close you just feel frightened and he knows it and you kind of buckle and forget tactics. Or to put it like my brother would say "he **** himself"

I really think people forget that aspect and yet it is what makes the difference. Tyson beat a lot of guys because they were terrified, Bruno's team said that when fighting tyson they could hear the gangsters next door and tupac was there and we all felt really scared and intimidated and it mattered that. That is something we watching on tele dont really take into account. That is why Fury wins. Because when the two men meet he lets them know he's boss and the other guy feels it. Do you kind of know what I am getting at at all????

I agree with you about that. Mental state is very important, and at the heavyweight level, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury are the kings of intimidation. There's no question that both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder are elite heavyweight boxers. They're both extremely confident, and they've both knocked out some of the biggest names in the sport. But when it comes to who's more intimidated by whom, there's a case to be made for both men.
Fury has never been shy about expressing his respect for Wilder's knockout power. He's said that Wilder is the hardest-hitting heavyweight he's ever faced, and he's even gone so far as to say that he's scared of Wilder's punching power. That's not to say that Fury is intimidated by Wilder, but it's clear that he respects Wilder's ability to end a fight with one punch.
Wilder, on the other hand, has admitted that he was surprised by Fury's size and reach when they first met. He's also said that Fury's movement and boxing ability give him problems. Again, this isn't to say that Wilder is intimidated by Fury, but it's clear that he respects Fury's skills.
So, who's more intimidated by whom? It's hard to say. Both men have respect for each other's abilities, and both men have admitted that the other gives them problems. In the end, it may just come down to who's able to impose their will on the other whenever they have fought. This has obviously swung in the favor of Tyson Fury over the course of their three fights, but Deontay Wilder has certainly had his moments where he has gained the upper hand. Either way, they seem to be the top two heavyweights of this generation in terms of ability to intimidate others. Some may argue that Fury holds the key advantage because of his draw and two wins over Wilder, and because of how Wilder seemed afraid of him before their third fight and wore dark glasses and earphones while his trainer did most of the talking. However, others have argued for Wilder being mentally stronger due to the fact that Fury looked afraid of Wilder at the final face off before their first fight, and because it took a lawsuit in court for Fury to agree to fight Wilder the third time. In my personal opinion, Fury is the stronger one mentally speaking.
Now, I think that Anthony Joshua may be the best overall heavyweight of this generation, but he has a weak mental state at times. He has all the physical tools to be a great heavyweight, but his mental state can hold him back at times. Joshua has shown moments of greatness in his career, but he also has moments where he seems to crumble under pressure. This was most evident in his first fight with Andy Ruiz, where he lost his heavyweight titles. Joshua was completely outclassed in that fight, and it seemed like his mental state was a big factor in his loss. Since then, Joshua has bounced back with two wins over Ruiz, but his mental state is still a question mark. If Joshua can get his mental state under control, he could be the best heavyweight in the world for years to come. However at this stage of his career, and based off of his post match meltdown after the final fight with Usyk, I have my doubts.

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I agree with you about that. Mental state is very important, and at the heavyweight level, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury are the kings of intimidation. There's no question that both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder are elite heavyweight boxers. They're both extremely confident, and they've both knocked out some of the biggest names in the sport. But when it comes to who's more intimidated by whom, there's a case to be made for both men.
Fury has never been shy about expressing his respect for Wilder's knockout power. He's said that Wilder is the hardest-hitting heavyweight he's ever faced, and he's even gone so far as to say that he's scared of Wilder's punching power. That's not to say that Fury is intimidated by Wilder, but it's clear that he respects Wilder's ability to end a fight with one punch.
Wilder, on the other hand, has admitted that he was surprised by Fury's size and reach when they first met. He's also said that Fury's movement and boxing ability give him problems. Again, this isn't to say that Wilder is intimidated by Fury, but it's clear that he respects Fury's skills.
So, who's more intimidated by whom? It's hard to say. Both men have respect for each other's abilities, and both men have admitted that the other gives them problems. In the end, it may just come down to who's able to impose their will on the other whenever they have fought. This has obviously swung in the favor of Tyson Fury over the course of their three fights, but Deontay Wilder has certainly had his moments where he has gained the upper hand. Either way, they seem to be the top two heavyweights of this generation in terms of ability to intimidate others. Some may argue that Fury holds the key advantage because of his draw and two wins over Wilder, and because of how Wilder seemed afraid of him before their third fight and wore dark glasses and earphones while his trainer did most of the talking. However, others have argued for Wilder being mentally stronger due to the fact that Fury looked afraid of Wilder at the final face off before their first fight, and because it took a lawsuit in court for Fury to agree to fight Wilder the third time. In my personal opinion, Fury is the stronger one mentally speaking.
Now, I think that Anthony Joshua may be the best overall heavyweight of this generation, but he has a weak mental state at times. He has all the physical tools to be a great heavyweight, but his mental state can hold him back at times. Joshua has shown moments of greatness in his career, but he also has moments where he seems to crumble under pressure. This was most evident in his first fight with Andy Ruiz, where he lost his heavyweight titles. Joshua was completely outclassed in that fight, and it seemed like his mental state was a big factor in his loss. Since then, Joshua has bounced back with two wins over Ruiz, but his mental state is still a question mark. If Joshua can get his mental state under control, he could be the best heavyweight in the world for years to come. However at this stage of his career, and based off of his post match meltdown after the final fight with Usyk, I have my doubts.

Yes, i see you know your stuff i agree with you. One thing i wonder if you agree, fury always seems to love to go and fight yet other boxers feel nervous and sometimes frightened. When fury was having his early career fights he was laughing and joking as he made his way to the ring. He truly loves the box and cant wait to get it on. He is the only heavyweight i ever watched who considered boxing 100% fun and felt totally at calm and happy!

i agree with your words very much cept Joshua best. He at the top level is quite wooden as they say. I love hearing a contrary opinion to mine so i like your arguement you put forward!