Comments Thread For: Arum: I Don't See Any Impediment To Getting Fury-Usyk Done Sometime Before Ramadan

[Oregonian]

ok, if that’s what Bob was referring to it means they can’t hold it in the Middle East during Ramadan, and can’t hold it anywhere else during lent (40 days in the run up to Easter rather than Easter itself) as Usyk himself has said he won’t fight during this period… call me cynical, but along with the added Hrgovic complications, this one is starting to look less and less likely…especially in Q1 of 2023.

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Fury can make the fight happen in March. He disposes Chisora quickly and we have a fight in March.

[Gideon lock]

Well I'll be ram - ah - damned if this fight does go through, I have seen a few concerning videos of fury lately he seems to be back on the partyscene. He will need to kill that activity before considering the challenge that presents itself in the form of a tactician called usyk who isn't partying right now and probably devising strategies to combat furys negative boxing traits (leaning on, hitting and holding etc) during a fight.

[Monty Fisto]

That's a policy of opec nations, not just Saudi, and I'm talking about religious beliefs and difference's, not economic decisions, yes everyone knows it's wrong to throw g*ys off building's, but that is their ultra conservative culture, I just find it so ****** when ppl spout off on the internet about this stuff when really all there hoping for is a bit of validation from there peers that there a good guy who supports the current thing.. if u support it so much, do something about it rather than talking **** on here which is a boxing forum might I add, go do your g*y lil protests elsewhere cos most cun*s couldn't give a **** where they fight

The Saudis are the de facto rulers of OPEC. Many OPEC members did not want the cuts. The Saudis did. The cuts got made.

I'm not looking for validation. I'm seeking to open eyes to what the world is dealing with when it comes to this nation. Which is a country that is aligned with Russia and against the interests of the West and, crucially, massively fuelling the inflation that is making most people's lives worse. One way of doing that is providing information to any readers of this forum. I can see it annoys you that someone is allowed to view their opinion, but you will have to learn to live with it -- as this is not the Middle East.

And, yes, this is a boxing forum. Well done, you've been paying attention. The topic at hand is the Saudis hosting boxing events. They do this precisely to engender the repsonse you're giving. Namely, to turn a blind eye to the role they play globally in making things worse for everyone because they are paying over the odds to host boxing matches. This forum is precisely the place to be discussing this.

[Tony Green]

The Saudis are the de facto rulers of OPEC. Many OPEC members did not want the cuts. The Saudis did. The cuts got made.

I'm not looking for validation. I'm seeking to open eyes to what the world is dealing with when it comes to this nation. Which is a country that is aligned with Russia and against the interests of the West and, crucially, massively fuelling the inflation that is making most people's lives worse. One way of doing that is providing information to any readers of this forum. I can see it annoys you that someone is allowed to view their opinion, but you will have to learn to live with it -- as this is not the Middle East.

And, yes, this is a boxing forum. Well done, you've been paying attention. The topic at hand is the Saudis hosting boxing events. They do this precisely to engender the repsonse you're giving. Namely, to turn a blind eye to the role they play globally in making things worse for everyone because they are paying over the odds to host boxing matches. This forum is precisely the place to be discussing this.

Monty let's talk boxing my guy, there's no need to go down this route when your not gonna make any change yourself let alone encourage others to, I'm not turning a bling eye, I gave examples of things they do that are pretty ****ed up in everyone's eyes other than Sharia law followers, but it's there culture, it's Islam, what are u gonna do? U can't change a while religion ffs, excluding them from world events would do way more harm than letting them have the odd event don't u think?

[Monty Fisto]

Monty let's talk boxing my guy, there's no need to go down this route when your not gonna make any change yourself let alone encourage others to, I'm not turning a bling eye, I gave examples of things they do that are pretty ****ed up in everyone's eyes other than Sharia law followers, but it's there culture, it's Islam, what are u gonna do? U can't change a while religion ffs, excluding them from world events would do way more harm than letting them have the odd event don't u think?

You are right to consider the feasible limits of what can or can't be changed. Changing a religion isn't really possible, nor is it what I would seek to change. They can worship what they want, so long as they keep it as their private worship and don't make it a part of secular government, especially not on the world stage. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect certain standards of civil behaviour from anyone, no matter their religion. Not killing people for speaking freely or thinking freely is a rudimentary building block of modern life. It's not a huge thing to ask governments to refrain from putting people to death for things such as changing religion, or being suspected of wizardry, or having an extra-marital affair. Nor is a huge thing to expect promoters to not reward governments that are unable to refrain from these things with huge global events such as world championship fights.

Putting their religion entirely to one side, as it's a bit of a red herring, the Saudis are an active antagonist to people's quality of life. They seek to hurt people financially the world over by pushing the price of oil up. They sought to influence the US election by cutting oil production ahead of the US midterms, driving up inflation further, as a means to help the Saudi-friendly ********** party. Putting aside any political bias one side or the other, it is not acceptable for a foreign nation to try to sway another nation's elections.

Given that there are plenty of well-established alternative places to stage fights of this magnitude, the completely sensible thing would be to not give it to the Saudis. Since we are talking in terms of "what u gonna do?", this is obviously beyond my sphere of control. What is within my sphere of control is whether I support the event (financially with paying for a PPV) or indirectly. I would vote with my wallet and not pay anything to view events that are being paid for by the Saudi controlling powers.

Happy to focus on talking about boxing in general, but my points here were a direct response to issues raised in this specific discussion.

[Tony Green]

You are right to consider the feasible limits of what can or can't be changed. Changing a religion isn't really possible, nor is it what I would seek to change. They can worship what they want, so long as they keep it as their private worship and don't make it a part of secular government, especially not on the world stage. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect certain standards of civil behaviour from anyone, no matter their religion. Not killing people for speaking freely or thinking freely is a rudimentary building block of modern life. It's not a huge thing to ask governments to refrain from putting people to death for things such as changing religion, or being suspected of wizardry, or having an extra-marital affair. Nor is a huge thing to expect promoters to not reward governments that are unable to refrain from these things with huge global events such as world championship fights.

Putting their religion entirely to one side, as it's a bit of a red herring, the Saudis are an active antagonist to people's quality of life. They seek to hurt people financially the world over by pushing the price of oil up. They sought to influence the US election by cutting oil production ahead of the US midterms, driving up inflation further, as a means to help the Saudi-friendly ********** party. Putting aside any political bias one side or the other, it is not acceptable for a foreign nation to try to sway another nation's elections.

Given that there are plenty of well-established alternative places to stage fights of this magnitude, the completely sensible thing would be to not give it to the Saudis. Since we are talking in terms of "what u gonna do?", this is obviously beyond my sphere of control. What is within my sphere of control is whether I support the event (financially with paying for a PPV) or indirectly. I would vote with my wallet and not pay anything to view events that are being paid for by the Saudi controlling powers.

Happy to focus on talking about boxing in general, but my points here were a direct response to issues raised in this specific discussion.

Fair enough bro, i respect that u took the time to give a detailed response that actually had some very good points..
I understand your sentiment, I just don't agree, I feel excluding them for their government's suspect decision's isn't gonna help the situation. I actually believe giving them as many events as possible and having them have to mix with as many western nations and people will soften there stance on many things over time but I understand you weren't just going for virtue points now so my bad for that accusation

[hugh grant]

Fury v usyk next. Then fury v joyce. Then fury v josh. Voila.