Comments Thread For: Porter on Crawford Negotiating For Spence Fight: 'Doing It On Your Own Ain't Gon' Get It Done'

[Bullrider]

So Haymon is like God and not capable of making adjustments. I can't imagine Bob Arum complain about a top fighter choosing to represent himself. It sounds ridiculous if the main objective is to make the fight happen.

[Sid-Knee]

Why is Shawn calling him Mr Haymon all the time? These PBC "Fighters" are like slave boys.

[SplitSecond]

who TF is his Manager anyway? BoMac?

You must have representation when going in trying to negotiate the biggest fight of your career I mean I get it wanting to keep all of your money and not having to give anybody a % but at the same time you have to know what you're doing and understand all the Verbiage of Contracts. He has spent most of his life boxing, no time to go to school and learn all that stuff so that is why you do bring in at least someone who understand all that and can explain to you how Logistics and Analytics work.

He clearly don't understand how Backend Works, he don't understand the BENEFITS of it and how it helped make Oscar and Mayweather a TON of money taking the Backend instead of just the Big Flat Guarantee Upfront while Letting Investors, Promoters and Networks walk away with HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of $$$ off your fight and laughing at you behind your back on how ****** you fighters are

Transparency is part of the ALI ACT so the fact that he asked for that immediately tells a Al Haymon or whoever..."Oh He Doesn't Know WTF He Is Doing" also shows that Arum did not give him any Transparency and he defend Arum not giving him Transparency by saying "Oh But He Gave Me A Big Guarantee" not even Realizing that was going against the ALI ACT

So while some fighters could probably pull off Representing themselves...Clearly NOT CRAWFORD and that is fine we can't be good at everything and expressing himself doesn't seem like his best Attributes and again that is fine BUT you can hire people for that.

Don't ask Spence to leave his team which he is clearly happy with all because you're coming from a Situation in which you wasn't happy with. Crawford Struggle is not Spence struggle as far as Promotion goes.

Funny post. You know Porter recommended his dad as Crawfords representative right? Is Kenny Porter is any more qualified than Bomac? And Crawford has lawyers to read contracts for him. Didn’t seem to have a problem getting a deal done with Avanesyan/Warren & BLK within 2 days.

No clue why you think he wouldn’t know how the “backend” works. Pbc is using the argument that the “fans will steal it” (as per PBC’s Vice President) to underpay Crawford, and if Crawford listens to these guys, why wouldn’t he be trying to secure a 25mil guarantee? Think.

You must not know who Haymon is. You don’t know what he has been taken to trial over on numerous ocassions? Despite the Ali-Act, it’s still breached(danced around) everyday and Haymon’s shadowy, advisory role helps in that too. Haymon and the Ali Act go way back, you must’ve missed the karfunkle.

And who ever asked Spencer to leave his team?

[Roadblock]

Funny post. You know Porter recommended his dad as Crawfords representative right? Is Kenny Porter is any more qualified than Bomac? And Crawford has lawyers to read contracts for him. Didn’t seem to have a problem getting a deal done with Avanesyan/Warren & BLK within 2 days.

No clue why you think he wouldn’t know how the “backend” works. Pbc is using the argument that the “fans will steal it” (as per PBC’s Vice President) to underpay Crawford, and if Crawford listens to these guys, why wouldn’t he be trying to secure a 25mil guarantee? Think.

You must not know who Haymon is. You don’t know what he has been taken to trial over on numerous ocassions? Despite the Ali-Act, it’s still breached(danced around) everyday and Haymon’s shadowy, advisory role helps in that too. Haymon and the Ali Act go way back, you must’ve missed the karfunkle.

And who ever asked Spencer to leave his team?

Tell me why do you believe this phantom hedge fund, TC is the only one to say it and says he will not reveal the source, why do you believe it above everything else?

[SplitSecond]

Tell me why do you believe this phantom hedge fund, TC is the only one to say it and says he will not reveal the source, why do you believe it above everything else?

Who said I believe it? It’s neither here nor there to me. They all agreed to move ahead without it.

[sicko]

Funny post. You know Porter recommended his dad as Crawfords representative right? Is Kenny Porter is any more qualified than Bomac? And Crawford has lawyers to read contracts for him. Didn’t seem to have a problem getting a deal done with Avanesyan/Warren & BLK within 2 days.

No clue why you think he wouldn’t know how the “backend” works. Pbc is using the argument that the “fans will steal it” (as per PBC’s Vice President) to underpay Crawford, and if Crawford listens to these guys, why wouldn’t he be trying to secure a 25mil guarantee? Think.

You must not know who Haymon is. You don’t know what he has been taken to trial over on numerous ocassions? Despite the Ali-Act, it’s still breached(danced around) everyday and Haymon’s shadowy, advisory role helps in that too. Haymon and the Ali Act go way back, you must’ve missed the karfunkle.

And who ever asked Spencer to leave his team?

Actually...YES! Has Shawn not fought EVERYBODY including going over to Top Rank/ESPN to fight Bud himself? So YES whoever is "Representing" Shawn was able to land him every big fight in his ERA and I'm sure Financially he is good afterwards because if he wasn't good he would still be trying to fight but instead he is retired

of course Haymon found Loopholes around the Ali Act, all promoters know the loopholes and the limits when it comes to maneuvering around it is a given

I'm coming from the Prospecting of Business, I have no horse in this race I'm not hear to blame Crawford or Bud I don't even give a damn who wins between the 2 but it is COMMON F^CKING SENSE that often times you do need representation for certain things. Even "BOSSES" Hire CEO's COO's and everything else to run their Company. So no you're not a "BOSS" when you're swimming in Territory you're unfamiliar with trying to Freestyle this thing trying to make a deal yourself by just asking for a huge Guarantee

Too many people are just caught up in wanting to play the blame game and throw Logic and Common F'king Sense out the Window because the want their Favorite fighter or in Some Cases Friend and/or Family Member to look like some sort of Victim

[SplitSecond]

Actually...YES! Has Shawn not fought EVERYBODY including going over to Top Rank/ESPN to fight Bud himself? So YES whoever is "Representing" Shawn was able to land him every big fight in his ERA and I'm sure Financially he is good afterwards because if he wasn't good he would still be trying to fight but instead he is retired

of course Haymon found Loopholes around the Ali Act, all promoters know the loopholes and the limits when it comes to maneuvering around it is a given

I'm coming from the Prospecting of Business, I have no horse in this race I'm not hear to blame Crawford or Bud I don't even give a damn who wins between the 2 but it is COMMON F^CKING SENSE that often times you do need representation for certain things. Even "BOSSES" Hire CEO's COO's and everything else to run their Company. So no you're not a "BOSS" when you're swimming in Territory you're unfamiliar with trying to Freestyle this thing trying to make a deal yourself by just asking for a huge Guarantee

Too many people are just caught up in wanting to play the blame game and throw Logic and Common F'king Sense out the Window because the want their Favorite fighter or in Some Cases Friend and/or Family Member to look like some sort of Victim

Porter fought under his umbrella, and before retirement, fought Crawford. In another division he could’ve easily ended up like Tank/Charlo/Wilder. What you really want to say is Crawford needs to take Haymon up on his advisory/manager offer. Which would technically be a breach of the Ali Act, at least if Haymon was a “promoter”. But that’s what’s required. Everyone knows that already. Kenny Porter, or Whoever manages anyone at PBC isn’t really the answer.

[LAchargers373]

Dud didn’t negotiate the avensyan fight in 2 days he was negotiating it the whole time using spences name to make himself look legit. Dude is a fraud

[sicko]

Porter fought under his umbrella, and before retirement, fought Crawford. In another division he could’ve easily ended up like Tank/Charlo/Wilder. What you really want to say is Crawford needs to take Haymon up on his advisory/manager offer. Which would technically be a breach of the Ali Act, at least if Haymon was a “promoter”. But that’s what’s required. Everyone knows that already. Kenny Porter, or Whoever manages anyone at PBC isn’t really the answer.

However you want to Spin It, Shawn Porter people got him EVERY big fight in his ERA PERIOD! No Stones was left Unturned in His Career!

WRONG about wanting him to sign with Hyamon, hell I don't even think Haymon wants him like that because they know he is not the draw that he think he is particularly outside of Nebraska! Canelo didn't have to sign to do business BUT Canelo also has Reynoso who clearly knows more about the business and knows WTF he is doing far more than whoever TF is representing Crawford andalso Canelo is actually a REAL COMMODITY he Brings a Nation behind him who actually Supports him and whatever he does

Bud can easily hire someone to help negotiations outside of PBC Circle without having to give up a huge % of his purse to get a deal done

[Roadblock]

Who said I believe it? It’s neither here nor there to me. They all agreed to move ahead without it.

It sounded like you do as you referenced it like it was a legit offer.