Comments Thread For: Crawford On Spence Talks: Even Though I Knew I Was Getting F------, I Just Wanted Transparency

[Trey lance]

These fights aren't as complicated to make as you might think. A fight of this magnitude requires 1 of 2 things for the opponent (Crawford)

1. Guaranteed money
or
2. A percentage of the event.

If there is any accuracy in Bud's comments, PBC was not willing to offer him any guaranteed money. So then he must become a partner in the event. That could be 30%, 35%, 40%, whatever. The actual number doesnt matter for the sake of this conversation. But when you are a participation partner (or co-promoter) in an event, then you are supposed to have access to the event financials to make sure you aren't getting clowned by the lead promoter. Does anyone really believe Top Rank didnt get to see the books for Floyd-Pac? Or that Haymon didnt get to see the books for Wilder-Fury 2 and 3? Or for 10,000 other co-promotions? Nobody is going to trust the other side to be fully transparent, unless its written in the contract. King used to exploit that stuff all the time, "inventing" hundreds of thousands of dollars in promotional expenses in order to shaft the other side.

Asking for transparency is not a stretch, and has nothing to do with any A-side B-side nonsense.

It's clear Bud lying deal with it

[Trey lance]

transparency, this is the key word here, it might sound like u are the child of two ******** but its not, its clarity, bud wants it, we here want it, we just all want transparency

Bud lying now he claiming he had 25 mil backers yet he can't say their names quit making excuses for all your coward fighters ducking pbc

[El Más Loco]

he and whatever team he has around him CLEARLY don't understand the business of boxing it is like he is getting advice from one of these Slow youtubers who haven't made themselves a millionaire but want to advise fighters how to negotiation a fight for Millions LMFAO

Hey BOXERS please stop listening to us fans...WE Don't Know SH^T about negotiating a fight we're all just pretending like we do because it is fun

Bud need to tighten up his team, get some REAL Business people around him with PROVEN TRACK RECORDS and not that Bernie Clown and BoMac is a good Trainer but as a Manager he just don't have the connections that Bud needs to really get things done on his own. All for Independent, cutting out the Middleman and all that but you still need a strong team around you, no you shouldn't have to speak to Haymon yourself where is your representative, tell your REP what you want and they go in and handle that for you

These Businessmen will talk circles around you and Use Verbiages that will have you Googling Words just to find out what it means LMFAO. Spence clearly has a strong team in place that he knows will get his side of the deal right and has PROVEN to do right by him so no he doesn't need to speak or call anybody

This is the equivalent of trying to represent yourself in Court even the Judge will ask you "Are You Sure You Don't Want To Get A Lawyer?"

Anyway, if Bud still want to do Business in the future, STFU, move on, take care of business with "PLK Prime" LMFAO and then comeback to the table with a Great Representative preferably someone who done good Business with Al in the past to make things easy

How to do you from "We don't know Sh^T".......to then trying to give Crawford business advise?

[Boxfan83]

Lol at all the new accounts vouching for PBC.

[Roadblock]

I just wanted transparency !

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[Sid-Knee]

I don't blame you, champ. PBC gave the 'Gypsy-Bum' a 50-50 split, and he had no belts and coming off a drugs' suspension. You are number 1 P4P, ATG, how dare they?

Fury got less money in fight 1 and 2. It was only in the third fight that he got 60% as the condition for the contract for fight number 2 was a rematch clause and the winner getting 60% to the losers 40%.

[1hourRun]

Fury got less money in fight 1 and 2. It was only in the third fight that he got 60% as the condition for the contract for fight number 2 was a rematch clause and the winner getting 60% to the losers 40%.

The 'Gypsy-Bum' was lucky that he got offered anything, even Derek Chisora will be treated better than Terence Crawford.

[Gunitsmith]

The whole negotiation was a ruse on Haymon's part. It is a blatant duck to keep PBC control of the ww division. That is so obvious I don't understand why anyone would defend it. It's not like they keep putting on great ww cards. Their stable is weak,and when they fight outside of it they lose. Not because their fighters aren't good,but because they match them up so weakly. Then when they fight a great fighter,they are unprepared for the ferocity coming back their way. Wilder and Plant are the two main fighters that come to mind. Get a belt,soft touch soft touch soft touch. It is not preparing them for the tough fights. I like Spence,great fighter. The same goes for Crawford. But AL has been the holdup. Both of the fighters are ready to rumble.

[sicko]

How to do you from "We don't know Sh^T".......to then trying to give Crawford business advise?

WE Don't Know SH^T about negotiating a fight we're all just pretending like we do because it is fun

Keyword being: "FIGHT"

I can't speak to the business of "Boxing" but I can speak to when doing business and negotiating Deals, you do have to go in with the right people to close deals I mean that is kinda Common Sense more so than "Advice"

But as far as all this other stuff "Oh Bud You Should Ask For 50/50" or "Spence Should Accept $25 Million No Questions Ask About Where It Is Coming From"

Yeah don't listen to us

[sicko]

These fights aren't as complicated to make as you might think. A fight of this magnitude requires 1 of 2 things for the opponent (Crawford)

1. Guaranteed money
or
2. A percentage of the event.

If there is any accuracy in Bud's comments, PBC was not willing to offer him any guaranteed money. So then he must become a partner in the event. That could be 30%, 35%, 40%, whatever. The actual number doesnt matter for the sake of this conversation. But when you are a participation partner (or co-promoter) in an event, then you are supposed to have access to the event financials to make sure you aren't getting clowned by the lead promoter. Does anyone really believe Top Rank didnt get to see the books for Floyd-Pac? Or that Haymon didnt get to see the books for Wilder-Fury 2 and 3? Or for 10,000 other co-promotions? Nobody is going to trust the other side to be fully transparent, unless its written in the contract. King used to exploit that stuff all the time, "inventing" hundreds of thousands of dollars in promotional expenses in order to shaft the other side.

Asking for transparency is not a stretch, and has nothing to do with any A-side B-side nonsense.

Some Valid Points!

Here is the HUGE Question though, who puts the money up to actually Organize the Event? Unless it is Bud Crawford putting some of that money up himself to get the ball roll on this event...he is in NO POSITION to ask for Transparency. You know who get Transparency? INVESTORS! Networks people who are actually putting the money up PRE FIGHT.

What I think is that Fight Fans actually think that Fighters are ONLY getting paid off of Ticket Sales and PPV Buys and that is simply not true. Al, Bob, Eddie, Oscar..."The Power That Be" in boxing, their job is to Organize the Event and get the money together for the Event. These people have Relationship they've developed over Decades so they're able to get certain Venues, Site Fees, International Rights Money and all type of stuff that we fans really don't know about and don't understand

Far from EASY! Rachel Donaire really shed light on just the overall "BUSINESS" of boxing and because it was what some Bud Fans did not want to hear, they tried to label this Woman some "PBC Shill" but the Lady is far more Qualified to talk about the Business of boxing than Any of us, being that she managed her Husband's Great Career for YEARS!

If Fans think it is easy then they should find some young fighters, sign them up and make them stars. I see a lot of fans THINK they know more than Haymon and these other guys who been in this business for DECADES, they should prove it and help make a Superstar bigger than Floyd Mayweather!

Good F^CKING LUCK! Until that happens, yeah I just cannot take anybody serious who honestly think that Haymon somehow doesn't know what he is doing after all these years