Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Jaron Ennis, Terence Crawford, Errol Spence, More

[ShoulderRoll]

The Crawford-Spence fight IS dead, at 147 anyway.

I bet Spence moves up to 154.

[Oregonian]

The problem as I understand it is Crawford doesn't get a guaranteed amount, and will be entirely paid by the back-end PPV money. They also don't want to show him the back-end results. What kind of deal is that? Crawford is likely to make more money facing Avenysyan than he would versus Spence. And the Spence fight wasn't looking to get signed anytime soon. It's a business. He really doesn't have to take a bad deal. People are acting like he has to accept the terms of the deal. No he doesn't. Crawford is getting paid in December. When is Spence getting paid?

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So if Spence gets to fight Thurman for a guaranteed 10 figures, you’d say he’s even with Crawford?

Crawford and Spence aren’t Floyd-PAC. Not even close. They will NEVER make the kind of money those guys made.
Theirs is a legacy fight NOT a cash-out fight. They are splitting the pot so even if they were to agree to a 50/50 split, there’s no guarantee that they both make $10 mil. It’s business 101.

Bud’s career at 147 has been about cashing in, hence the garbage Khan and Brook fights.
Two, with a December fight in place, it’s pretty clearly that Bud was negotiating a different fight while still “negotiating” with Spence. To pull up a date, guaranteed purse and an opponent in that time frame means Bud was working on his REAL plan while pretending to want to fight Spence.
This is a sign of a dishonest person or someone who had no interest in Spence.

For all the accusations that was thrown at Floyd for “ducking” PAC, it was Floyd who walked up to Manny and made the fight by going as far as going to Manny’s room to discuss the fight.

[Pago007]

Crawford I’m riding with u, but boy oh boy did u let me down

[Doctor Bill]

Great list regarding who you would choose to fight for your life in each weight class. My only quibble would be Sugar Ray Robinson at middleweight. I should hurry up and say I agree that Sugar Ray is the all-time greatest PfP fighter and the right choice for welterweight. At middleweight though, he went back and forth, losing and winning with Turpin, Basilio, and Fullmer. Sugar Ray was beatable at that weight (partly because these were great fighters too, partly because of his age, and partly because of the wear-and-tear of having had a ridiculous number of fights). I'd choose either Monzon or Hagler for middleweight.

[wrecksracer]

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So if Spence gets to fight Thurman for a guaranteed 10 figures, you’d say he’s even with Crawford?

Crawford and Spence aren’t Floyd-PAC. Not even close. They will NEVER make the kind of money those guys made.
Theirs is a legacy fight NOT a cash-out fight. They are splitting the pot so even if they were to agree to a 50/50 split, there’s no guarantee that they both make $10 mil. It’s business 101.

Bud’s career at 147 has been about cashing in, hence the garbage Khan and Brook fights.
Two, with a December fight in place, it’s pretty clearly that Bud was negotiating a different fight while still “negotiating” with Spence. To pull up a date, guaranteed purse and an opponent in that time frame means Bud was working on his REAL plan while pretending to want to fight Spence.
This is a sign of a dishonest person or someone who had no interest in Spence.

For all the accusations that was thrown at Floyd for “ducking” PAC, it was Floyd who walked up to Manny and made the fight by going as far as going to Manny’s room to discuss the fight.

Why is Crawford making more to fight Avenysyan than he would for Spence? Is this a business? Shouldn't Crawford go with who is willing to pay him? PBC is offering him no guarantee. And they don't want him to know the behind the scenes financials. Who would take that deal? PBC is showing how much they want the fight.

[TheUptownKid]

so bread thinks the reason crawford spence is not happening is that both are stubborn, i think its a bit more than that bread

really I think that’s what it is. Bud wants what he wants and isn’t going to be forced to accept anything less. I don’t think there’s anything more.

[The D3vil]

My "gun to my head" list

Strawweight 105Lbs: Ricardo Lopez

Junior Flyweight 108Lbs: Chocolatito Gonzalez

Flyweight 112lbs: Jimmy Wilde

Junior Bantamweight 115lbs: Monster Inoue

Bantamweight 118lbs: Eder Jofre

Junior Featherweight 122lbs: Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight 126lbs: Willie Pep

Junior Lightweight 130lbs: Alexis Arguello

Lightweight 135lbs: Roberto Duran

Junior Welterweight 140lbs: Aaron Pryor

Welterweight 147lbs: Sugar Ray Robinson

Junior Middleweight 154lbs: Tommy Hearns

Middleweight 160lbs: Sugar Ray Robinson

Super Middleweight 168lbs: Roy Jones

Light heavyweight 175lbs: Archie Moore

Crusierweight 190-200lbs: Evander Holyfield

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali

[The D3vil]

Welterweight morass/molasses !! Nothing moving. FFS somebody break the logjam!

Crawford Spence - both too stubborn to be flexible and make the fight
Crawford Ennis - Ennis too dangerous
Crawford Ortiz - not enough money for Bud and Ortiz. Ortiz brain trust want to see slippage in Bud
Crawford Thurman - PBC want to keep Thurman for Spence or a vacant title if Spence vacates
Spence Ennis - Ennis too dangerous
Spence Ortiz - GBP want DAZN to get share of coverage, PBC prefer Spence fight Thurman if not Crawford
Spence Thurman - Spence doesn't like Thurman, doesn't want to give him a payday, Thurman wants cash-out oversize payday
Thurman Ennis - Ennis too dangerous
Thurman Ortiz - PBC want to keep Thurman for Spence or a vacant title if Spence vacates. Thurman wants cash-out oversize payday
Ortiz Ennis - not now!! this is a big money fight down the line don't ya know??!!

Maybe Stanionis can be the log jam breaker - if Stanionis fights Thurman/Spence/Crawford I will be rooting heavily for Stanionis - not because I like him - but because it would cause more fights to get made

Brother, you summed up everything wrong with boxing.

And the worst thing about it is that if these dudes actually fought each other and performed well, we'd be even MORE willing to spend money to watch them fight because we'd respect them more.

Most of the time, these dudes fight somebody I don't care about once or twice a year and I'm like "fxck this".

But if Crawford & Spence fought and it was a good fight, I'd be ready for the rematch and if the rematch was good, I'd be exciting for the 3rd or 4th fight like we used to get back in the day with guys like Ali/Frazier or Holyfield/Bowe

[Oregonian]

Why is Crawford making more to fight Avenysyan than he would for Spence? Is this a business? Shouldn't Crawford go with who is willing to pay him? PBC is offering him no guarantee. And they don't want him to know the behind the scenes financials. Who would take that deal? PBC is showing how much they want the fight.

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Because Avenysyan is making $1million at most and I’m being generous. Even if Avnysyan makes $2 million, the overall pot gives Bud 80% of the purse.
The same will not be the case with Spence. They have to split the pot and Bud will probably make $6 million tops unless PPV numbers are huge.

[wrecksracer]

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Because Avenysyan is making $1million at most and I’m being generous. Even if Avnysyan makes $2 million, the overall pot gives Bud 80% of the purse.
The same will not be the case with Spence. They have to split the pot and Bud will probably make $6 million tops unless PPV numbers are huge.

"Probably make $6 million" is the problem He probably won't make anywhere near that amount. And they don't want him to know the backend numbers, which is how he's being paid. How is that a good deal? Which would you take 8 million or maybe 4 million?