B-Side: Why Derek 'WAR' Chisora Has Completely EXPOSED Terence 'No Smoke' Crawford For Years

[MONGOOSE66]

A-Side, B-Side.

We've heard it all before.

But here's the thing: now that Chisora is essentially a veteran and the guy people call when they need a tough dance partner that they're fairly certain to beat, he holds a singular advantage over almost every other fighter in the game today.

Chisora has given all but one of his opponents he's fought, a tough night. Chisora's resume is a who's who of the prior and current generations, having tangled with everyone except the slim few punchers like Wilder and Ortiz, and never crossing paths with the likes of Breezy, Stiverne and 'Prince' Charles Martin.

But in almost every fight near the end of his storied career, Chisora has (happily) been the B-Side. He wants to get paid; he knows he draws money, but when he's up against the likes of Oleksandr Usyk or Tyson Fury, he readily accepts his place (and the check), shows up and goes to work.

Like old school fighters used to.


Contrast this with Terence 'No Smoke' Crawford, who seemingly believes he's always the A-Side, even when he's not. A guy whose own promoter told the world that he doesn't draw money and has lost enough money to buy a house out in Beverly Hills ("nice house"). Who then sued said promoter for racism despite that promoter having made plenty of African American and other non-Caucasian origin fighters millions of dollars.

Fast forward and we hear that a welterweight unification - a FULL unification - is upon us. Errol 'The Truth' Spence vs. Terence 'No Smoke' Crawford.

The story had been that Crawford would not want to fight the best version of Spence; so obviously this created excitement in the industry. Spence dispatches Yordenis Ugas in brutal fashion to unify 3 of the titles to Crawford's one; Crawford makes 'Showtime' Shawn Porter lose focus and causes Kenny Porter to stop the fight prematurely; which gives ESPN and others the excuse to declare Crawford #.1 P4P, which adds fuel to the fire.

We then hear that Crawford is going to fight David Avenesyan, a decent B-level fighter.

The problem is, with the exception of Porter and possibly Kell Brook, that's all Crawford has fought at 147, is B-level fighters. The demand of him was to step up and fight the top guy - which isn't him, by the way.

Porter was a top guy, but as we learned after the fight, he was dealing with two bad hips and mentally already ready for retirement, plus drama with his dad that got in the way of a fight that Porter arguably took minimum 6 rounds in at the point of the stoppage.

Kell Brook was a top guy with significant damage to his face, courtesy of Golovkin and that same Errol Spence, many years prior. His lack of punch resistance stopped us from seeing a true resolution to a fight where Kell arguably won all four rounds and started closing Crawford's eye.


It's an indictment on Crawford that the man formerly known as 'Del Boy' has been willing to get fights done by accepting his B-Side status, yet Crawford still refuses to, and certain fans excuse it. The result: Fury and Chisora III selling out an arena simply because the fans love to see Chisora despite his losses.

Remember, Fury didn't sell out with 'All In' Wallin.

'WAR' Chisora should be respected for wanting to be that warrior.
'No Smoke' Crawford deserves no respect for refusing to.

Ahh, hmmm, seems to me he’s lost MULTIPLE TIMES to every well known fighter. I don’t see the correlation at all.

[PRINCEKOOL]

No.

Derek Chisora is a great fighter, and has maximized his ability.

But he has never been a World Champion or competed under the pressure and expectation of being Champion.

Chisora has routinely gone into fights, for me? Not really coming to win 1000%. He will go into fights, knowing that people do not expect him to win.

But as long as he pushes his opponent, his product and brand will of delivered 'Chisora created this brand, and it has landed him big fights'.

Terrance Crawford, Errol Spence Junior 'None of these guys are in that position'.

They are at elite level, where people expect them to win. So by saying Chisora has exposed Crawford is not entirely accurate'.

Note: I honestly hope Chisora is coming into the Fury fight, with the attitude to win.

I have always thought Chisora stop working with David Haye, because the intensity of Haye's attitude to winning 'Became a bit too much for Chisora'.

But with Haye being a addition to Chisora's training camp, I think it did positively effect Chisora. The last time I think Chisora went into a big fight 1000% coming to win was vs Usyk etc.

[Combat Talk Radio]

No.

Derek Chisora is a greater fighter, and has maximized his ability.

But he has never been a World Champion or competed under the pressure and expectation of being Champion.

Chisora has routinely gone into fights, for me? Not really coming to win 1000%. He will go into fights, knowing that people do not expect him to win.

But as long as he pushes his opponent, his product and brand will of delivered 'Chisora created this brand, and it has landed him big fights'.

Terrance Crawford, Errol Spence Junior 'None of these guys are in that position'.

They are at elite level, where people expect them to win. So by saying Chisora has exposed Crawford is not entirely accurate'.

Note: I honestly hope Chisora is coming into the Fury fight, with the attitude to win.

I have always thought Chisora stop working with David Haye, because the intensity of Haye's attitude to winning 'Became a bit too much for Chisora'.

But with Haye being a addition to Chisora's training camp, I think it did positively effect Chisora. The last time I think Chisora went into a big fight 1000% coming to win was vs Usyk etc.

You said it yourself in bold.

Crawford doesn't have a brand because Crawford doesn't want to create that brand.

Not working to create that brand is the reason he doesn't sell. They go hand-in-hand.

So yes..Chisora deserves credit for doing what he needed to do to create the brand and become a draw. That's what Crawford FAILED to do.

"Elite" means nothing if nobody knows or cares who the F you are. Wins/losses don't matter either, as every legend not named Floyd Mayweather has losses.

Edwin Valero was one of the best fighters - yet nobody outside of the hardcores even knew the guy.

It's not about "elite". It's about a brand and being able to SELL YOURSELF.

Crawford cannot do.

Chisora can do.

Chisora exposed Crawford.


It's prizefighting. The goal should be to make as much money as you can. It's an indictment on Crawford that he wants money without being able to draw it yet Chisora having never been champion manages to draw money and people are happy to pay it. DO you understand?

[PRINCEKOOL]

You said it yourself in bold.

Crawford doesn't have a brand because Crawford doesn't want to create that brand.

Not working to create that brand is the reason he doesn't sell. They go hand-in-hand.

So yes..Chisora deserves credit for doing what he needed to do to create the brand and become a draw. That's what Crawford FAILED to do.

"Elite" means nothing if nobody knows or cares who the F you are. Wins/losses don't matter either, as every legend not named Floyd Mayweather has losses.

Edwin Valero was one of the best fighters - yet nobody outside of the hardcores even knew the guy.

It's not about "elite". It's about a brand and being able to SELL YOURSELF.

Crawford cannot do.

Chisora can do.

Chisora exposed Crawford.


It's prizefighting. The goal should be to make as much money as you can. It's an indictment on Crawford that he wants money without being able to draw it yet Chisora having never been champion manages to draw money and people are happy to pay it. DO you understand?

Crawford's brand is winning and being World Champion.

Not sometimes winning, sometimes losing but putting in a good effort i.e That is Chisora's brand.

There have been many fighters who do what Chisora has been doing, and they have not been able to create a brand and attract a consistent market.

The issue that Crawford has these days, is that there are many World Champions. And there is another guy called Errol Spence Junior who? YES has in my opinion challenged himself more.

When Crawford came back to fight Danny Garcia, for me that was his best win 'Due to his accident, and what he had to overcome'.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Crawford's brand is winning and being World Champion.

That's bubble mentality. You're speaking as a fan, NOT as casuals.

Casuals may care about title holders - but if said title holder stinks out the joint by dropping 4 rounds off a jab (Brook) before a sketchy stoppage, they're not going to dial in again. Or low blowing a guy who they were told has a glass chin (Khan), they're not going to dial in again.

The numbers don't lie.

Drawing CASUAL fans means you need a brand. Having a belt is not having a brand. Otherwise, Rocky Fielding would have drawn money.

You need to think like the CASUAL fans. They like antics. Drama. OUTSIDE of the ring stuff. They don't care who holds a belt or not. They don't care who "looks elite". They. Don't. Care.

They want the antics. Crawford doesn't move the needle.

Meanwhile you got Spence with his country drawl talking about "d**k in the dirt", Wilder talking about "body on the record", Chisora throwing tables, Canelo cussing in English, etc. That's how you DRAW MONEY.

You may not like it - but it's the truth and at some point you're going to have to come to grips with that truth. Crawford has no brand. Without a brand, he will never draw money. Without drawing money, he will never be A-Side against Spence, and as a result, it will always be hard for him to get the big fights because he hasn't accepted where he's going to be the B-Side. He's NEVER accepted a fight as B-Side. That's a problem for him and it means his potential goes unrealized.

[PRINCEKOOL]

That's bubble mentality. You're speaking as a fan, NOT as casuals.

Casuals may care about title holders - but if said title holder stinks out the joint by dropping 4 rounds off a jab (Brook) before a sketchy stoppage, they're not going to dial in again. Or low blowing a guy who they were told has a glass chin (Khan), they're not going to dial in again.

The numbers don't lie.

Drawing CASUAL fans means you need a brand. Having a belt is not having a brand. Otherwise, Rocky Fielding would have drawn money.

You need to think like the CASUAL fans. They like antics. Drama. OUTSIDE of the ring stuff. They don't care who holds a belt or not. They don't care who "looks elite". They. Don't. Care.

They want the antics. Crawford doesn't move the needle.

Meanwhile you got Spence with his country drawl talking about "d**k in the dirt", Wilder talking about "body on the record", Chisora throwing tables, Canelo cussing in English, etc. That's how you DRAW MONEY.

You may not like it - but it's the truth and at some point you're going to have to come to grips with that truth. Crawford has no brand. Without a brand, he will never draw money. Without drawing money, he will never be A-Side against Spence, and as a result, it will always be hard for him to get the big fights because he hasn't accepted where he's going to be the B-Side. He's NEVER accepted a fight as B-Side. That's a problem for him and it means his potential goes unrealized.

You must understand with me mate. That I do not care much about what casuals fans wants and needs are. Why should I? Are you a casual boxing fan? Is this forum for casual boxing fans? No.

And this goes beyond boxing. You need to stop letting lemmings run your life Leicesterage.

I am not really a big fan of ether Crawford of Spence Junior. Actually I would say, I have followed Spence Junior's career more closely.

I disagree with what you are saying about antics, but yes THEY do help to create a attraction 'But that attraction fizzles out real quick, it has no depth'. Because at the end of the day, it is the action inside the ring and the fights a fighter takes which create the ultimate brand.

Crawford really should of just taken the Spence Junior fight.

Stop talking about casual boxing fans. Stop seeking their validation.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Stop talking about casual boxing fans. Stop seeking their validation.

IT's correct - you don't get it.

CASUALS ARE WHO BUY FIGHTS. IF YOU DON'T APPEAL TO THEM CONSTANTLY, YOU WILL NOT DRAW MONEY. IF YOU DON'T DRAW MONEY, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THE FIGHTERS.

You know what I'm saying is true. Floyd Mayweather showed you WHY it was true. Even after he vacated he was still pulling eight figures. Your belt statement is boxing bubble. And you're not understanding THAT AS A FAN YOU WILL NOT GET THE FIGHTS YOU WANT IF YOU DON'T PULL CASUAL MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. HARDCORES ARE THE MINORITY AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM PIRATE THE DAMN FIGHTS ANYWAY.

We will not agree because you're in the bubble, and you don't recognize it. And as a result, people like you are why we don't get fights like Spence/Crawford, because you don't understand what it takes to pay those fighters.

Done.

[PRINCEKOOL]

IT's correct - you don't get it.

CASUALS ARE WHO BUY FIGHTS. IF YOU DON'T APPEAL TO THEM CONSTANTLY, YOU WILL NOT DRAW MONEY. IF YOU DON'T DRAW MONEY, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THE FIGHTERS.

You know what I'm saying is true. Floyd Mayweather showed you WHY it was true. Even after he vacated he was still pulling eight figures. Your belt statement is boxing bubble. And you're not understanding THAT AS A FAN YOU WILL NOT GET THE FIGHTS YOU WANT IF YOU DON'T PULL CASUAL MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. HARDCORES ARE THE MINORITY AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM PIRATE THE DAMN FIGHTS ANYWAY.

We will not agree because you're in the bubble, and you don't recognize it. And as a result, people like you are why we don't get fights like Spence/Crawford, because you don't understand what it takes to pay those fighters.

Done.

I understand everything you are saying. And I know why you are saying it.

But I am still telling you? To stop letting casuals and lemmings run your life. Stop seeking their validation. Stop giving them too much credit.

What you are saying is not entirely true, casuals and the lemmings of society 'They will come and go, they will watch what is put in front of them'.

Once Crawford vs Spence Junior is made, the fight will gain traction.

[War Room]

Damn War Room talking out her ass and getting owned in all these threads.

Im done talking to her. She has some weird obsession with Errol Spence. She even has to talk about him somehow in Jake Paul threads.

She is a very weird, immature, and troubled young lady.

Read my response and you'll see who's getting owned. Funny you keep bringing up women, you're literally on a cheerleading squad.

Find it funny you say this yet you blindly accept Crawford as #.1 P4P despite fighting only one Top 5 in his 147 career (Porter).

Who said I accept Crawford as P4P#1? I never said that. Keep making stuff up.

To be fair, I never speak on these modern P4P ranking standards which have long lost their way. You'll never see me say anyone is P4P#1. Advance Search to find out.