Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Suggests That Canelo Will Need To Make Drastic Changes To Beat Bivol

[War Room]

If Canelo Alvarez had Joe Calzaghe type endurance. He probably beats Bivol.

Have you not seen young Clenelo fight? He was all action, style was limited, and he didn't have that special ingredient so he's been onto cherry-picking for legacy sake.

Bivol's footwork is extremely superior for someone like Cleneloterol. Because Bivols arsenal is limited, he's made up for it in positioning and footwork logic which makes his overall game better.

Bivol is solid in every single area, but not really super elite at any specific skill.

That's true, I agree.

He beat Alvarez with his endurance, speed and basic fundamentals. It was a straight forward game plan to execute.

I'm not buying endurance. Cleneloterol fought the same pace all night. He got Vinny Paz'd, real talk.

Alvarez's inside game and defense on the inside is the one area where? He is superior to Bivol. In all other area's accept movement and endurance, they are pretty much the same level.

I don't know what you mean. But if has anything to do with Clenny's inside game and defense, you're in outerspace mate. Bivol is better than Cleneloterol in every single way. Clenelo is crude. His hook to the body straightens out, that's trash form and powerless.

Bivol can exploit the area's where Alvarez lacks, but? Alvarez is struggling the exploit the area's where Bivol lacks, due to having under par endurance and not many gears.

If Alvarez had greater endurance, and more gears to go through. With his superior inside game, I think he would cause Bivol issues etc.

His endurance was fine, you're just repeating what he said as to why he lost. You're a fan, 100%.

Gears? Cleneloterol can't even change a single gear. He's not cut form that cloth.

[eco1]

What, come in with a *******?

[Oregonian]

this is why a guy like floyd never fought prime fighters. he didnt want the illusion of his invincibility to be shattered, even though a guy like prime castillo already shattered it. that was the last time he stepped in with a top fighter near their prime unless you count drained 152 canelo who barely beat trout at 154 the fight before so hardly in his prime or at his best weight. at least canelo fights prime fighters even though the decisions are often dubious and even though he waits a bit too long.

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Why did those “prime” fighters duck Floyd from 2002-2005? Why didn’t they go after Floyd then?
As for Canelo, after being “weight drained” (even though Canelo is the one who came up with that offer), how is it that he couldn’t beat Lara or Trout? He had to get gift decisions. Heck, even Cotto gave him a good fight after getting beat by the maestro Floyd.

[Roadblock]

I dont think he physically can, Bivol is just too big, too long and boxes really tight, Canelo would need to up his power and aggression to a whole new level to overcome his natural disadvantages, a bridge too far I feel.

[Roadblock]

this is why a guy like floyd never fought prime fighters. he didnt want the illusion of his invincibility to be shattered, even though a guy like prime castillo already shattered it. that was the last time he stepped in with a top fighter near their prime unless you count drained 152 canelo who barely beat trout at 154 the fight before so hardly in his prime or at his best weight. at least canelo fights prime fighters even though the decisions are often dubious and even though he waits a bit too long.

You throw prime around so flippantly, and reality is you have no idea of what prime really signifies, tell me when was Floyd prime?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Have you not seen young Clenelo fight? He was all action, style was limited, and he didn't have that special ingredient so he's been onto cherry-picking for legacy sake.

Bivol's footwork is extremely superior for someone like Cleneloterol. Because Bivols arsenal is limited, he's made up for it in positioning and footwork logic which makes his overall game better.



That's true, I agree.



I'm not buying endurance. Cleneloterol fought the same pace all night. He got Vinny Paz'd, real talk.



I don't know what you mean. But if has anything to do with Clenny's inside game and defense, you're in outerspace mate. Bivol is better than Cleneloterol in every single way. Clenelo is crude. His hook to the body straightens out, that's trash form and powerless.



His endurance was fine, you're just repeating what he said as to why he lost. You're a fan, 100%.

Gears? Cleneloterol can't even change a single gear. He's not cut form that cloth.

Alvarez endurance is not world class, he can fight at a pace but? It is not a very intense pace.

Sometimes throwing caution to the wind is something, Alvarez at elite level has been unable to do.

Because he lacks gears and world class endurance.

His endurance is not super bad, it is just not elite. And both Mayweather Junior & Bivol exploited this.

If somehow he can improve these area's, the dynamic of the fight changes.

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You throw prime around so flippantly, and reality is you have no idea of what prime really signifies, tell me when was Floyd prime?

Just my opinion, I feel floyd was prime around the time of the corrales fight.

[War Room]

Alvarez endurance is not world class, he can fight at a pace but? It is not a very intense pace.

Sometimes throwing caution to the wind is something, Alvarez at elite level has been unable to do.

Because he lacks gears and world class endurance.

His endurance is not super bad, it is just not elite. And both Mayweather Junior & Bivol exploited this.

If somehow he can improve these area's, the dynamic of the fight changes.

Keep drinking that cool aid they've been giving you I guess.

[Silence]

Alvarez endurance is not world class, he can fight at a pace but? It is not a very intense pace.

Sometimes throwing caution to the wind is something, Alvarez at elite level has been unable to do.

Because he lacks gears and world class endurance.

His endurance is not super bad, it is just not elite. And both Mayweather Junior & Bivol exploited this.

If somehow he can improve these area's, the dynamic of the fight changes.

Canelo doesn't need high pace to beat him. Canelo's entire career was against higher pace fighters. When was the last time his opponent threw less shots? Mayweather?

He should fight like he did against Jacobs. Very slick defense, high accuracy, jab and meaningful shots. He shouldn't touch the ropes because Bivol is clearly bully here. Bivol ain't unbeatable but he is too callous and straight. He never thinks risky things. It's hard task.

[!! Shawn]

It’s pure physiology, that’s simple. Canelo has progressively packed more muscle onto the same frame as he’s moved through the weight classes and his game has adapted accordingly. Only when he arrived at super middle had he become a largely plodding power puncher. Very effective admittedly but anyone with good mobility and stamina was always going to give him issues. At super middle he got away with it as he had more power and good reach in comparison to his opponents. At 175 that equations favours the bigger men. He can’t close the distance quick enough because of the additional weight he’s carrying so he can’t make his power count. As well as that the mobile guys at 175 are going to hit him back a lot harder than the likes of plant and saunders did at 168.

Canelo can’t change his game to be more successful at 175 as he’s fighting his own physiology. He’s not suddenly going to become lighter on his feet at the higher weight nor is his stamina going to improve. Ever. He’s only fooling himself if his own arrogance tells him otherwise.

Anyone with mobility has always given him problems, because he has always been cement footed.