Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Suggests That Canelo Will Need To Make Drastic Changes To Beat Bivol

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Canelo Alvarez has done his best to distance himself from his recent shortcomings. After pilfering every world at 168-pounds, the Mexican star brazenly made the move seven pounds north. Having competed at the 175-pound weight limit in years past, Alvarez was confident in his ability to face larger men. In his first
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I just think Canelo's strengths go after super middleweight and a good big guy like Bivol always beats him.

[tkoboxingscene]

Clenelo could get 10 trainers, it still wouldn't help him.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Skill for skill , they are not levels apart 'They are pretty much the same level, actually Alvarez is more skilled with his inside game'. Bivol is doing nothing special to beat Alvarez, he just has greater endurance 'Solid boxing fundamentals, combined with good speed and movement'.

Alvarez lack of gears, lack of elite level movement and endurance is what lost him the fight.

So ether he improves all of these area's or it will be another difficult night. I think if Alvarez was to improve his endurance, that may bridge the gap in the fight 'Just improving that one attribute'.

But that is also suggesting that Bivol is going to fight the same kind of fight again. I don't think Bivol went through all of his gears vs Alvarez I 'There is more to come from him'.

[Bro. Steve]

My 2¢ worth; Bivol had an energy, activity, and endurance level that Alvarez will never be able to match. Yes, there are skill and style differences, but to my eye, the real killer for Alvarez was Bivol’s superior endurance.

When I was a younger man, I falsely believed that any normal man could become a great distance runner just by working hard at it to build up his endurance and conditioning. I’m now a limping old guy who knows that to be false. All I did was accumulate a ton of injuries from the excessive effort.

The ability to sustain high levels of output over a long time span is strongly influenced by genetics. Bivol was simply born with way more of that stuff than Alvarez. If championship fights went back to the 15-round format, you might see a fresh and energetic Bivol knock out a totally exhausted Alvarez. Not saying skill differences weren’t there, but the delta in endurance was huge.

[hugh grant]

It will be hard as nelo is in 4th weight class and Nelo has had a great career already. Anything now he achieves is a bonus but no gaurantee of anymore big wins. Ask Bud or Spence to beat the super middleweight champ now and that is how hard an ask it is. Let bud have some warm up bouts first and its still hard. Ask bud or Spence to fight the weakest supermiddleweight champ and you know what its still hard and nobody would expect Budor spence to prevail.
Maybe if Bud or spence won titles at light middle and then middleweight, people would put high expectations on Bud or spence but thats the thing. People only put high expectations on Nelo and expect the impossible as he has mostly delivered. Bud and Spence not done great things at WW, let alone at light middleweight or middleweight. So expectations for the best 147 wannabees to do things at super middleweight is fantasy land.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Canelo can`t beat Bivol. he should go for easier touches.

[M111]

It’s pure physiology, that’s simple. Canelo has progressively packed more muscle onto the same frame as he’s moved through the weight classes and his game has adapted accordingly. Only when he arrived at super middle had he become a largely plodding power puncher. Very effective admittedly but anyone with good mobility and stamina was always going to give him issues. At super middle he got away with it as he had more power and good reach in comparison to his opponents. At 175 that equations favours the bigger men. He can’t close the distance quick enough because of the additional weight he’s carrying so he can’t make his power count. As well as that the mobile guys at 175 are going to hit him back a lot harder than the likes of plant and saunders did at 168.

Canelo can’t change his game to be more successful at 175 as he’s fighting his own physiology. He’s not suddenly going to become lighter on his feet at the higher weight nor is his stamina going to improve. Ever. He’s only fooling himself if his own arrogance tells him otherwise.

[M111]

Plus I think age and wear and tear is beginning to tell. I don’t think he’s looked the same in the last two fights and the injuries get harder to overcome with age. He’s had issues with his knees that will hammer his ability to do road work and hit his endurance. Hard tissue injuries like that never heal 100%. Now issues with wrists that need surgery. All catching up.

[War Room]

Skill for skill , they are not levels apart 'They are pretty much the same level, actually Alvarez is more skilled with his inside game'. Bivol is doing nothing special to beat Alvarez, he just has greater endurance 'Solid boxing fundamentals, combined with good speed and movement'.

Alvarez lack of gears, lack of elite level movement and endurance is what lost him the fight.

So ether he improves all of these area's or it will be another difficult night. I think if Alvarez was to improve his endurance, that may bridge the gap in the fight 'Just improving that one attribute'.

But that is also suggesting that Bivol is going to fight the same kind of fight again. I don't think Bivol went through all of his gears vs Alvarez I 'There is more to come from him'

I 100% disagree. I think Bivols mastery of basics rivals any skill Cleneloterol has. Cleneloterol still has no tempo, all these fights later every shot is a death blow, this is like year 2 amateurs.

Go back and rewatch, Bivol could have stopped him at any time, but he kept playing it safe and tentative. If he would have launched a proper assault, Canelo would have been stopped.

It wasn't endurance, that's the kool aid. He does this in every fight, waits for the other guy to slow and catch him. Bivol was just shutting him down and Clenelo turned into a Vinny Paz when he fought RJJ in those later rounds. When you keep missing and dinged for it, you eventually lower your output.

Bridge the gap? He lost 10 rounds!!!