So whos really at fault for Spence Bud not happening?

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Like the game of "Chicken" whoever turns off the Road First is the "CHICKEN" and well in this Case unfortunately Bud Veered off the Road first to go fight Avanesyan

Not calling Bud a Chicken, Duck or Afraid or any of that Childish BS. I just think and Eddie Confirmed it, that the Analytics for this fight just doesn't add up based on what some of Hardcores say Online compared to what they see in THE NUMBERS. They see that honestly neither Spence or Bud is as big of a "STAR" as their Fanboys think. They also see that Marketing wise it is a tough Sell because both have dry personalities.

They're actually LUCKY that Espinoza is trying to Invest and make it happen because who TF else is interested in making this fight? Any International Offers? nothing from the Saudi's? Further proving that this might be one of the most Overrated and Overhyped fights in recent history NOT based on their Talent and Skills in the ring I think it would be one hell of a fight and I highly respect both fighters Talent and Skills. As far as how "BIG" this fight is according to their Super Fanboys...OVERHYPED and OVERRATED!

Hopefully they finally do it early next year. If Not, Spence will be fine he has limitless amount of options at 147 and 154. Bud however, I fear he becomes a forgotten man on this new APP and will finish his career out struggling for quality opponents outside of maybe Mandatory's. Maybe he goes to DAZN after this for a Vergil Ortiz WBO next if no Spence fight. He is in a tough Spot if PBC close the door on him because they do have control of 147 and 154

Neither fighter is scared, neither fighter is ducking I just think it is BUSINESS! Bud trying to get that number as high as possible

[El_Mero]

Pbc/haymon are at fault. They are the ONLY promoter involved

[Roadblock]

Pbc/haymon are at fault. They are the ONLY promoter involved

Should they put a gun to Buds head, he agreed to terms, so how is it the promoter's fault they didn't run off TC did.

[Hustle]

Its not unusual because its a guaranteed percentage that has proven to be more lucrative in the huge PPV fights, so many superfights a made of percentage. I would bet everything I own Bud would make as much as twice the take home money fighting Spence on a percentage of all revenue that he agreed to than the 10mil he gets from DA, this is Floyds method and they all followed him because the backend percentage is huge.

The first thing hashed out in a negotiation is money, and they agreed to terms, that tells you the money is fine.

And just to add the transparency concern was about all revenue, not the percentage, I think Bud is not to smart with the money side of things, he wants the Lollie bag in his hand not the truck full of lollies on paper, not smart business at all.

Backend percentages were huge for Floyd because he did anywhere between 1 million ppv buys and 4 million ppv buys.

Ain't no huge ppv backend on a 500k ppv buy fight. Which is what bud vs errol is. Promoters, network and cable company have to get theirs. So what's left for the fighters?

Canelo didnt have to wait on a backend. Haymon ponied up 40 million and another 10 for plant with no hesitation. Bud and errol should have been made the week after Spence beat ugas. Haymon blew this fight. Nobody else

Guaranteed money > haymon promises

[Roadblock]

Backend percentages were huge for Floyd because he did anywhere between 1 million ppv buys and 4 million ppv buys.

Ain't no huge ppv backend on a 500k ppv buy fight. Which is what bud vs errol is. Promoters, network and cable company have to get theirs. So what's left for the fighters?

Canelo didnt have to wait on a backend. Haymon ponied up 40 million and another 10 for plant with no hesitation. Bud and errol should have been made the week after Spence beat ugas. Haymon blew this fight. Nobody else

Guaranteed money > haymon promises

I think Spence Crawford would have done around million PPV, if it didn't Im sure it would still make Bud more than he gets for DA.

The thing with percentages is that it boils down to fighters betting on themselves, its also a safety net where the people;e putting up the money don't lose their balls, maybe Bud realizes he cant draw flies to sht and the percentage deal scared him, Ive always said that the public will pay for fights they want to see, its always the matchup that's worth the money not just one fighter with the exceptions of those boxing superstars which rise above everyone else. I believe Spence Crawford would do really well in PPV, whereas TC vs DA will sink like the Titanic, then you got to look at the future earnings on a win in that fight, which again is the fighter betting on himself just appears that bud wasn't prepared to do that.

500k PPV at $69 is around 35 mill, then you overseas revenue and all the backend merchandise and the live gate , Bud would have easily got a lot more than 10ml

[LeOoze]

Where is TernceBudCharlo to make of this??

[El_Mero]

Should they put a gun to Buds head, he agreed to terms, so how is it the promoter's fault they didn't run off TC did.

Bud agreed to terms but asked for transparency. If pbc/haymon/spence really wanted the fight, why not let his reps see what they were asking for? Make it make sense.

[Roadblock]

Bud agreed to terms but asked for transparency. If pbc/haymon/spence really wanted the fight, why not let his reps see what they were asking for? Make it make sense.

And that is the irony he asked for transparency and was double-dealing simultaneously, this is the bit Im on about.

I mean we know Bud agreed to terms so that rules out money and conditions arena and all that stuff, I think we can agree with that, with the transparency issue who said he wasn't going to get that it's all speculation, this why Im saying you cant blame Errol or PBC with the bare facts of what we know as we just don't know all the details, on face value it appears Bud was double-dealing in the backroom.

[Lupara]

They'll fight in March

[El_Mero]

And that is the irony he asked for transparency and was double-dealing simultaneously, this is the bit Im on about.

I mean we know Bud agreed to terms so that rules out money and conditions arena and all that stuff, I think we can agree with that, with the transparency issue who said he wasn't going to get that it's all speculation, this why Im saying you cant blame Errol or PBC with the bare facts of what we know as we just don't know all the details, on face value it appears Bud was double-dealing in the backroom.

I can see where youre coming from.