So whos really at fault for Spence Bud not happening?

[bigtyivier2k2]

Based of resumes at 147 Spence resume solid while to me Bud is only known for what he did in weaker divisions below 147 (140 was whack when he fought in it)

Its just strange to me how he was negotiating vs Ava while attempting to make this fight BUT also strange that Floyd said weeks ago this fight wasnt happening. So unless Haymon gaslighting Spence something odd went down.

Did more people come out and say whos to really blame?

[DaNeutral.]

Well you got Tim Smith saying they didn't see the point in making it, you got Floyd saying it wouldn't happen, you got nobody at the PBC refuting the claims about refusing to show any transparency. Then you got 4 years of roadblocks by Spence.

On the other side you got Crawford who won his belt, left his promoter and took the clear B side of a very unstable offer.

The contract was dog 5hit, the contract is worse than any of Spence last 10 opponents were offered in terms of a guarantee. They put together an unsignable contract they wanted to be turned down so they could try to claim they tried and it was Crawfords fault.

Fkkers are fooling very few Boxing fans. This is clearly the PBC's fault. Ppl will say I am a PBC hater, yes I am and cuz of 5hit like this.

[Jubei]

They said it was Arums fault the fight never happened, so Crawford left Arum and they still can't make the fight. They didn't even want to pay Crawford a guarantee, for the supposed "biggest fight in boxing" with the supposed "superstar" Errol Spence, they couldnt even guarantee any money for Crawford? What do you really think the reason is? They know Crawford is very dangerous, even though he is 35 and at the very end of his prime. Oddsmaker have Crawford a slight favorite vs Spence, Haymon is not ******, he knows Crawford is one of the only fighters out there who could beat Spence, and he does not want to risk his best fighter losing to Crawford so he does everything to circumvent the fight.

[Roadblock]

Well you got Tim Smith saying they didn't see the point in making it, you got Floyd saying it wouldn't happen, you got nobody at the PBC refuting the claims about refusing to show any transparency. Then you got 4 years of roadblocks by Spence.

On the other side you got Crawford who won his belt, left his promoter and took the clear B side of a very unstable offer.

The contract was dog 5hit, the contract is worse than any of Spence last 10 opponents were offered in terms of a guarantee. They put together an unsignable contract they wanted to be turned down so they could try to claim they tried and it was Crawfords fault.

Fkkers are fooling very few Boxing fans. This is clearly the PBC's fault. Ppl will say I am a PBC hater, yes I am and cuz of 5hit like this.

I wish you people would quit the fanboy sht.

Buds lawyers came out and said TERMS WERE AGREED TOO. what do you think that means?

How can anybody think the 10mill Bud gets for DA could match what he would get for Spence, unification bout and possible 1mill+ PPV event.

How can you be negotiating a super fight the public want then to call for transparency while he is working out a deal for another fight under the table?

How can the guy that holds 3 belts and was focused and waiting on one fight is now left at the alter and yet its his fault with dumb ass fanboys citing sht spoken years ago while the fight was building momentum

If Errol had done exactly what TC did and sneaked off and made another fight you would be swinging totally the other way, and guess what so would I because what Bud did here and the way he went about it is total BS.

Fanboys in this forum cannot be objective or be in any way fair, its always their guy is the angel and the other guy is always wrong and they back it up with the most ridiculous reasons that for the most part is nothing but hearsay.

There is two Elephants in the room, Bud agreed to terms, Bud at the 12 hour signed another less lucrative fight in the back room, those two realities speak volumes.

[bballchump11]

[maguirre]

From what I heard TC was not offered guarantee money. Which is highly unusual for a big fight. First time I've heard about it. Crawford probably went back and forth thinking about such unusual concept and eventually agreed except he asked for transparency, which any regular schmo would ask because why would you trust complete strangers to tell you how much PPV they sold and all the businesses surrounding the event, which are the basis of the contract?

[Rockybigblower]

People like you who build them up to believe they are worth far more than their resumes suggest. That fact that everyone fantasises over a match up of these relatively untested fighters just serves to inflate their egos beyond reasonable expectation. And with that comes unmanageability. Terrence Crrawford is getting 10 million to fight avenasyan. How much will you think he'll ask for at the next Spence negotiations? More than anyone will be willing to pay...and thats why the fight will never get made.

[Roadblock]

From what I heard TC was not offered guarantee money. Which is highly unusual for a big fight. First time I've heard about it. Crawford probably went back and forth thinking about such unusual concept and eventually agreed except he asked for transparency, which any regular schmo would ask because why would you trust complete strangers to tell you how much PPV they sold and all the businesses surrounding the event, which are the basis of the contract?

Its not unusual because its a guaranteed percentage that has proven to be more lucrative in the huge PPV fights, so many superfights a made of percentage. I would bet everything I own Bud would make as much as twice the take home money fighting Spence on a percentage of all revenue that he agreed to than the 10mil he gets from DA, this is Floyds method and they all followed him because the backend percentage is huge.

The first thing hashed out in a negotiation is money, and they agreed to terms, that tells you the money is fine.

And just to add the transparency concern was about all revenue, not the percentage, I think Bud is not to smart with the money side of things, he wants the Lollie bag in his hand not the truck full of lollies on paper, not smart business at all.

[QballLobo]

The guy that hasn’t fought a current world champion since 2018 and ghosted the other side to set up another easy fight instead of taking on a challenge.
Quack quack.

[just the facts]

Well you got Tim Smith saying they didn't see the point in making it, you got Floyd saying it wouldn't happen, you got nobody at the PBC refuting the claims about refusing to show any transparency. Then you got 4 years of roadblocks by Spence.

On the other side you got Crawford who won his belt, left his promoter and took the clear B side of a very unstable offer.

The contract was dog 5hit, the contract is worse than any of Spence last 10 opponents were offered in terms of a guarantee. They put together an unsignable contract they wanted to be turned down so they could try to claim they tried and it was Crawfords fault.

Fkkers are fooling very few Boxing fans. This is clearly the PBC's fault. Ppl will say I am a PBC hater, yes I am and cuz of 5hit like this.

Due to your inability to view anything remotely involving PBC with even a sliver of objectivity, your opinion means less than nothing.

If anyone one on here claims to know the answer to this, they’re full of shyte.