Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Gives His Thoughts On Shakur Stevenson: "He's A Good Boxer, Smart Boxer"

[JuniorTorres720]

Agreed, but "puncher's chance" when you consider how Loma sets up the punch to generate power..it's 100% skill. Strategy to get the guy in right location, movement, angles and shot selection to create the opening on top of using the opponents momentum/weight to maximize the impact while transfering his weight etc..

That's why i like fighters like Loma, RJJ, Leonard, Robinson, Ali..

Hell yeah. Same

[Mofias]

Trash talking is a reflection of the rejection of universal health care? Holy moly man. What are you talking about? Gun culture? I have lots of them, but I'm all about showing respect where its due. Thats from down south where we all have guns and still say sir and ma'am.

The UK has Booing!!!
Nobody is Civilized

[Bro. Steve]

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This is the most astute observation I’ve read on this platform. Ever. it is true.

It’s a cultural thing. The trash talking and disrespect we see in not just boxing but in almost every sport in the US is just how the culture is here.
It is also a reflection of certain nuances - the gun culture, the almost collective rejection of universal health care and even the “small” street violence that emanates from the “what are you looking at” stare that almost always leads to violence including the good old road rage.

This is not a political statement, it’s just a cultural normalcy that does exist here. I’m making that distinction because the rebuttals that will follow will be entertaining.

I don’t think I understand the connection to universal health care or ownership of firearms. People in the United States prefer freedom, and they’ve been like that since our forefathers left European shores to settle here. The recent cultural rise in foul language is attributable to other factors, most notably the aggressive expurgation of Gospel influence from public life.

In addition, let’s not forget the very baneful influence of Muhammad Ali who made trash talk seem cool. But it never was admirable in any true sense. It just showed the power of a clever man with a big mouth to bring a whole culture into the gutter… and how crazy difficult it is to get back out of the gutter once everyone is in there. It’s a lot easier to pollute a clean river than it is to clean up a ****** one that everyone now thinks is a proper sewer.

[b Murphington]

GTFOH
Class??..

So you don’t consider Lomachenko a smart boxer? Or is it you don’t consider Stevenson a smart boxer? Which one is it? Have you ever watched either of them box?

I would favor Stevenson based on size and youth, but I can’t completely count someone like Lomachenko out.

[Oregonian]

Good deductions - we have nearly the same problem in the UK - I think it comes from examples set by leadership too. Look at Clinton, Trump and ***** - cussing on camera or off camera - what does that say to adolescents? Parents cussing others and each other. It's a cess pool. We look back at discipline at home and school and think how much more developed we are - but look at the mess all around us?

On the other hand, countries whose citizens tend to be more respectful when speaking are often ruled by dictators and lack basic freedoms. It's a conundrum.

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I’ll take a dictator like Kagame of Rwanda over a system that does not work (capitalism/democracy) or guys like Trump, *****, Bush (both), etc.

[Oregonian]

I don’t think I understand the connection to universal health care or ownership of firearms. People in the United States prefer freedom, and they’ve been like that since our forefathers left European shores to settle here. The recent cultural rise in foul language is attributable to other factors, most notably the aggressive expurgation of Gospel influence from public life.

In addition, let’s not forget the very baneful influence of Muhammad Ali who made trash talk seem cool. But it never was admirable in any true sense. It just showed the power of a clever man with a big mouth to bring a whole culture into the gutter… and how crazy difficult it is to get back out of the gutter once everyone is in there. It’s a lot easier to pollute a clean river than it is to clean up a ****** one that everyone now thinks is a proper sewer.

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Let me try a different approach. Think about the argument against universal healthcare or the argument in defense of ownership of firearms. Both arguments are angry, toxic and even violent towards the opposite side.
That attitude is what I refer to. The absolute belief that “my thinking is the only way and the correct way”.

Ali, while loud and brash was always clowning. His antics did not come from toxic hate or anger. He went on to have lifelong friendships with the same guys he fought. Do you think someone like Hopkins would pursue a friendship with Calzaghe. I highly doubt it.

British boxers and citizens tend to be respectful to Americans and even erroneously think highly of idiots like Broner.

Your last statement is an absolute gem. It’s a lot easier to pollute a clean River than it is to clean up a ****** one. It reminds me of one I read a while ago, it’s easier to correct/fix difficult children than it it is to repair broken men.

[SteveM]

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I’ll take a dictator like Kagame of Rwanda over a system that does not work (capitalism/democracy) or guys like Trump, *****, Bush (both), etc.

I actually do believe that the best form of leadership comes from a benevolent dictator - the problem is there needs to be a collapse to usher in a dictatorship and also people can't choose their dictatprs and also, even if they start off as benovolent they become corrupt and malignant dictators

[factsarenice]

The UK has Booing!!!
Nobody is Civilized

UK has the Sky News propaganda machine owned by Rupert Murdock. They talked the British into exiting the EU just like Fox promoted jobs going to China, Fox called them by calling them "jobs Americans don't want"

[factsarenice]

I actually do believe that the best form of leadership comes from a benevolent dictator - the problem is there needs to be a collapse to usher in a dictatorship and also people can't choose their dictatprs and also, even if they start off as benovolent they become corrupt and malignant dictators

Move to North Korea, you'll love it.

[crimsonfalcon07]

If you ever notice Haney lifts his back foot when he follows through and loses all his force for punching power. It's pure arm power. It's why he can't knock out much smaller opponents.

You talking about when he uses the advancing shift? Watch a few Pacquiao fights. He does it all the time. As long as the weight transfer is happening, that doesn't affect power as much as you think. Weight transfer is the main reason Haney's power is lacking. He is much more commonly on that back foot, even with his weight down and "sitting down on the punch" as many places teach it. But because he's carrying his weight back so he can focus on getting out, since he's a defensive fighter, he loses a lot of the power transfer. Still did plenty of damage to Kambosos though. His style doesn't lend itself well to knockouts.