Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Wilder, Plant, Haney-Lomachenko, Rivera, More

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The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as the return of Deontay Wilder, the big win by Caleb Plant, Devin Haney vs. Vasiliy Lomachenko, Michel Rivera, and much more.
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[wrecksracer]

I know everybody wants Wilder to be the biggest puncher ever. It doesn't change that he has lost to the only top fighter he has fought. Other than Fury, which of the fighters he has fought are known for an iron chin? Which of the guys he has fought are known for good defense? It's a weak era.

Why are we even talking about Tank potentially being great? It's ridiculous to even consider until he starts fighting live fighters. The joke will be on his fans if he steps up and loses. That's why he's never going to step up.

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Weird that some people won't give Marshall her props. She won 3, or at a push 4 rounds. Going into the fight Shields had lost 1, or at most, 2 rounds in her 12 fight career. And even in the clear Shields rounds, Marshall was pushing her to the limit like nobody else could. Cash in

[Oldskoolg]

Great call by bread in saying the wilder criticism is overboard, it is. Generally it’s from a political motive ie those heavily influenced by Hearn and Joshua due to wilder not letting Hearn or dazn control his career. Wilder is indeed an atg puncher and the fact he’s stopped or floored every man he’s ever faced speaks volumes to his punching power. A puncher who can literally lights out you with one shot, who almost always ends fights with one shot is an extremely rare thing in boxing. Heavy hands are 10 a penny or a dime a dozen for my American amigos, but true one shot power every time out, that’s generational level punching power

[Babadoux]

Weird that some people won't give Marshall her props. She won 3, or at a push 4 rounds. Going into the fight Shields had lost 1, or at most, 2 rounds in her 12 fight career. And even in the clear Shields rounds, Marshall was pushing her to the limit like nobody else could. Cash in

Very true, I thought Shields would dominate Marshalls, but came away impressed with both ladies.

[wrecksracer]

Great call by bread in saying the wilder criticism is overboard, it is. Generally it’s from a political motive ie those heavily influenced by Hearn and Joshua due to wilder not letting Hearn or dazn control his career. Wilder is indeed an arg puncher and the fact he’s stopped or floored every man he’s ever faced speaks volumes to his punching power. A puncher who can literally lights out you with one shot, who almost always ends fights with one shot is an extremely rare thing in boxing. Heavy hands are 10 a penny or a dime a dozen for my American amigos, but true one shot power every time out, that’s generational level punching power

I agree Wilder has heavy hands. But how heavy? Which guys had the iron chins that Wilder fought? Or good defense? Can we say he would definitely knock out a Larry Holmes? Ali? He's fought a lot of guys that had poor defense. Malik Scott appeared to go down from a blow that barely hit him. As always, I'm skeptical of this era. Not just Wilder. People are ready to call Fury an ATG based on what? His wins over Wilder? Eyeball test? I think this whole era is overrated.

[Oldskoolg]

I agree Wilder has heavy hands. But how heavy? Which guys had the iron chins that Wilder fought? Or good defense? Can we say he would definitely knock out a Larry Holmes? Ali? He's fought a lot of guys that had poor defense. Malik Scott appeared to go down from a blow that barely hit him. As always, I'm skeptical of this era. Not just Wilder. People are ready to call Fury an ATG based on what? His wins over Wilder? Eyeball test? I think this whole era is overrated.

Based on his record and what we have seen. I don’t think this is rocket science and I think you’re overthinking it. No one’s claiming he is an all time great and blanking guys like Ali and Holmes in their primes would literally make him the greatest heavyweight in history which no one is claiming. I am afraid your statement or question has me scratching my head for its intent. You mistake all time great puncher with all time great boxer

[Mammoth]

Weird that some people won't give Marshall her props. She won 3, or at a push 4 rounds. Going into the fight Shields had lost 1, or at most, 2 rounds in her 12 fight career. And even in the clear Shields rounds, Marshall was pushing her to the limit like nobody else could. Cash in

I think she beats everyone not named Shields

[wrecksracer]

Based on his record and what we have seen. I don’t think this is rocket science and I think you’re overthinking it. No one’s claiming he is an all time great and blanking guys like Ali and Holmes in their primes would literally make him the greatest heavyweight in history which no one is claiming. I am afraid your statement or question has me scratching my head for its intent. You mistake all time great puncher with all time great boxer

I'm still wondering which guy with a great chin he knocked out. Isn't that how we determine who has a great punch? I see just a bunch of guys with no defense and ordinary chins. Does Helenius have a great chin? Ortiz? Malik Scott? Stiverne? Give me one of two guys with great chins off his record.

[siablo14]

I’ve personally seen fighters take dives in fights. I’ve seen fighters get hurt then act more hurt in order to get the fight stopped. I won’t say who the fighters are but I’ve seen it at least 4 times.

I’ve seen two GGG opponents do it. It’s obvious when you see it, if you know what to look for.

Any guesses who Bread is referring to?