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  • #81
    Originally posted by MeanestNiceGuy View Post
    Andy has the hand speed and counterpunching ability to stop Wilder- if he can make his way around Wilder's jab that I hope he'll be using. People forget how limited Wilder is in close quarters and I believe Andy can clip him.
    ^^ This the hand speed is going to be a huge problem for Wilder
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    • #82
      Originally posted by wrecksracer View Post

      Imaginary wins don't count. The only top guy Wilder fought, he lost to. It's a fact. You stick with your imaginary scenarios, it's safest for you.
      It’s easy for non boxers to think they know it all. Hell it’s the same with boxers. Few people have the eye for boxing and the sweet science.

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      • #83
        Andy isn't quick enough on his feet to really trouble wilder if he had quicker feet he'd be able to get on the inside an let his hands go but he's just abit to slow an ponderous an I think he'll just get caught an hurt

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        • #84
          Helenius fight didn't provide a clue as to how Wilder will react after taking big head shots (Helenius never got one). A fight with Ruiz will probably answer that question (I think Ruiz is gonna need more than one big shot to be KO'd, so at some point I believe Wilder will feel Ruiz's power). Ruiz is fast, powerful, and dangerous when he's in range. His ability to get close is deceptive, too.

          This is a very dangerous fight for Wilder and Ruiz. It would be epic also ... just as the first AJ fight was. The fight could go many ways (all good for fight fans). I think if Wilder gets stunned at any point Ruiz will have an excellent chance to upset him.

          On the other hand, if Wilder is able to avoid getting buzzed or stunned, his reach advantage and power could take Andy into unknown territory. I've never seen Ruiz seriously hurt or stunned. He has a champion's chin. Seems like Wilder would be able to stun him .... but if he failed to (ala the Fury II fight) ... this could be very bad for Wilder. I don't think Wilder can take an all-out barrage from Ruiz ... much like AJ couldn't. I don't think anyone could really.

          A terrific matchup if it happens. The fight could go many ways ... but the intrigue would be monumental as it played out.

          PS - The jury is still out on whether Wilder has sufficiently recovered from so many lethal head blows (the Fury fights). No one will know until he gets caught and stunned ... if he ever gets caught and stunned.
          Last edited by MastaBlasta; 10-18-2022, 11:01 PM.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by famicommander View Post

            Fury was able to stop Wilder for two primary reasons:
            1. He was able to land clean punches with a full wind up over and over and over again
            and
            2. He was big enough to bully Wilder around and gas him out

            Ruiz won't be able to land like Fury did. He doesn't have the range, the IQ, or the punch evasion.

            Wilder going back to his lighter weight will also significantly help his gas tank.

            Ruiz got dropped by Chris Arreola and then needed a gift decision to beat a version of Luis Ortiz that is so washed he can barely stand up. People criticized Wilder for taking 10 rounds to stop him 3 and a half years ago. Much like Povetkin in both Whyte fights, Ortiz simply doesn't have his legs anymore. The Martin and Ruiz fights both showed that. It wasn't about his chin, it was that his legs just plain won't hold him up anymore.

            Ruiz is a stationary target. He doesn't move his head at all and he doesn't move his feet.

            Fighters that don't move their heads will never beat Deontay Wilder. Period. If you come at him with your head on the center line you're going to sleep. Fury barely got hit with ANY completely clean shots against Wilder and he still hit the deck four times. Only one of the three was on a truly solid connection (2nd knockdown in the first fight).
            But you can agree that when the trilogy started, Fury's KO %, which was the argument you started with, was just a notch above where Ruiz is now? And that he didn't have two fights with sustained damage on his record at the time he was stopped by the mid 60% guy?

            I had no doubt Fury could stop Wilder despite how his power was viewed, so I agree with you on how he did it. I just don't think Fury is the only guy who can stop Wilder, not that Wilder can''t stop Ruiz. I know Wilder can stop him, I never even hinted Ruiz would win just that Ruiz should have enough to hurt him as well.

            I know they weren't the same version - but Ruiz never needed an in-between round intervention against Ortiz like Wilder did.
            Last edited by LA_2_Vegas; 10-18-2022, 11:25 PM.

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            • #86
              Originally posted by MONGOOSE66 View Post

              It’s easy for non boxers to think they know it all. Hell it’s the same with boxers. Few people have the eye for boxing and the sweet science.
              any real boxer will tell you that fights are won in the ring lol. You are clearly not a boxer. And why would Wilder turn down a fight for Vlad's 3 belts if it was such an easy fight? And more money than he ever made before? I'll tell you why: Vlad beat him up when he was his sparring partner. I think you need to go to the eye doctor. You really don't have an eye for this sport. Hilarious.

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              • #87
                Fury also looked like a sh.it in his comeback fights, that is why he was chosen by Wilder.

                Anything can happen in Ruiz -Wilder.

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by HeyDeebo! View Post

                  Yeap then Fury got up boxed and Ko'ed wilder out cold , whats makes you think ruiz wouldn't get up..I mean he has been dropped before yes but has no KO losses ,not saying ruiz will definitely get the Win but he does have shot.
                  Fury is BIGGER THAN WILDER. RUIZ IS NOT. Some of you are grasping at straws and need to STOP.

                  You can't violate the laws of basic physics.

                  Ruiz is SMALL (height), IMMOBILE (fat), with significantly shorter reach, Wilder is one of the best distance closers in the business. Ruiz is nowhere near Fury - not in height, not in speed, not in range, not in ring IQ, not in the willingness to take punches to give them.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer View Post
                    Fury also looked like a sh.it in his comeback fights, that is why he was chosen by Wilder.

                    Anything can happen in Ruiz -Wilder.
                    True. Usy k looked crap before beating josh. I think ruiz can and will beat wilder. But I also think wilder could ko ruiz with late stoppage

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                    • #90
                      "trinket-holder?" this isnt someone collecting secondary titles from unranked opposition fighting out of their weight class. cmon. callin usyk "trinket holder" is bad propaganda--it denies his status and achievement in boxing.

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