Wilder Bum Squad Masterthread

[War Room]

1. Ethan Cox 2-2-1 (Now 2-8)
2. Shannon Gray 1-0 (Now 1-1)
3. Richard Greene Jr 1-1 (Now 1-4)
4. Joseph Rabotte 3-5 (Now 11-31)
5. Charles Brown 6-15-1 (Now 6-16-1)
6. Kelsey Arnold 1-2-2 (Now 4-9-2)
7. Travis Allen 3-4 (Now 3-5)
8. Jerry Vaughn 2-0-1 (Now 2-1-1)
9. Ty Cobb 7-1 (Now 21-9)
10. Alvaro Morales 4-6-5 (Now 6-14-7)
11. Dustin Nichols 4-2 (Now 5-14)
12. Shannon Caudle 9-0-1 (Now 9-7-1)
13. Harold Sconiers 17-20-2 (Now 18-27-2)
14. Dan Sheehan 11-38 (Now 12-39)
15. DeAndrey Abron 15-6 (Now 15-10)
16. Reggie Pena 6-6 (Now 6-10)
17. Damon Reed 46-15 (Now 48-20)
18. Dominique Alexander 20-11-1 (Now 26-18-2)
19. Daniel Cota Peinado 17-3-1 (Now 20-11-1)
20. David Long 11-1-2 (Now 12-5-2)
21. Marlon Hayes 23-10 (Now 23-21)
22. Jesse Oltmanns 10-2 (Now 12-6)
23. Owen Beck 29-10 (Now 29-13)
24. Kertson Manswell 23-5 (Now 25-12)
25. Damon McCreary 14-0 (Now 15-7)
26. Kelvin Price 13-0 (Now 14-2)
27. Matthew Greer 15-8 (Now 16-24)
28. Audley Harrison 31-6 (Now 31-7)
29. Siarhei Liakhovich 25-5 (Now 27-9)
30. Nicolai Firtha 21-10-1 (Now 21-11)
31. Malik Scott 36-1-1 (Now 38-3-1)
32. Jason Gavern 25-16-4 (Now 27-21-4)
33. Bermane Stiverne 24-1-1 (Now 25-5-1)
34. Eric Molina 23-2 (Now 29-8)
35. Johann Duhaupas 32-2-0 (Now 39-7)
36. Artur Szpilka 21-1 (Now 24-5)
37. Chris Arreola 36-4-1 (Now 38-7-1)
38. Gerald Washington 18-0-1 (Now 20-5-1)
39. Bermane Stiverne 25-2-1 (Now 25-5-1)
40. Luis Ortiz 28-0 (Now 33-3)
41. Tyson Fury 27-0 (Now 32-0-1)
42. Dominic Breazeale 20-1 (Now 20-3)
43. Robert Helenius 31-3 (Now 31-4)

Be honest with yourself, how many bums or fighters that are past it are on here?

My answer: 42. Fighters that were past it are Liakhovich, Arreola, and Ortiz.

Fighters that were not a bum or past it are Fury and Fury alone.

When people say Wilder is the hardest hitting HW in history, LOOK AT WHO'S THERE.

42 bums or fighters that were past it. I've been saying ~38 for a long time now, well I was wrong, it's higher!

Who did Wilder not fight that was ranked in the top 10? Well, let's look at some past rankings and make a list after 20-0 which is the modern method of stepping up your opposition to win world titles and etc. That puts us at 2011 with David Long.

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chambers
6. Dimitrenko
7. Chagaev
8. Pulev
9. Haye
10. Jennings
11. Joshua
12. Parker
13. Whyte
14. Miller
15. Usyk
16. Solis
17. Joyce
18. Hrgovic
19. Sanchez

That's just ranked guys, I'm sure there were others that were not ranked that would have been a good fight. Like Wallin, Wach, Chisora, Peter, etc.

[Legends456]

Great post.

[War Room]

Great post.

Thank you, I appreciate you.

It's amazing to see the effect of clear and concise data.

[Good ol' Douglas]

Be honest with yourself, how many bums or fighters that are past it are on here?

Are we discussing punching power or resumes and legacy here?

Hypothetically, a journeyman who lacks the skill, athleticism, heart, discipline, etc. to achieve success could be the hardest puncher of his time.

This is, of course, an exaggerated and unlikely scenario, but not impossible. Punching power cannot be determined through opposition faced alone.

When people say Wilder is the hardest hitting HW in history, LOOK AT WHO'S THERE.

You could use this exact logic with the resumes of Foreman and Shavers. Both littered with cans.

Nobody in HW history has the effortless one punch power Wilder possesses and this can be visually verified.

Want the cherry on top? He is doing this as a small HW in the era of modern super-heavyweights.

Every fighter, with a large enough sample size, declines in KO% the larger their opposition get.

Imagine Wilder facing 185 lbs Cooper when he is flatlining 250 lbs behemoths

[Pac=Duran]

1. Ethan Cox 2-2-1 (Now 2-8)
2. Shannon Gray 1-0 (Now 1-1)
3. Richard Greene Jr 1-1 (Now 1-4)
4. Joseph Rabotte 3-5 (Now 11-31)
5. Charles Brown 6-15-1 (Now 6-16-1)
6. Kelsey Arnold 1-2-2 (Now 4-9-2)
7. Travis Allen 3-4 (Now 3-5)
8. Jerry Vaughn 2-0-1 (Now 2-1-1)
9. Ty Cobb 7-1 (Now 21-9)
10. Alvaro Morales 4-6-5 (Now 6-14-7)
11. Dustin Nichols 4-2 (Now 5-14)
12. Shannon Caudle 9-0-1 (Now 9-7-1)
13. Harold Sconiers 17-20-2 (Now 18-27-2)
14. Dan Sheehan 11-38 (Now 12-39)
15. DeAndrey Abron 15-6 (Now 15-10)
16. Reggie Pena 6-6 (Now 6-10)
17. Damon Reed 46-15 (Now 48-20)
18. Dominique Alexander 20-11-1 (Now 26-18-2)
19. Daniel Cota Peinado 17-3-1 (Now 20-11-1)
20. David Long 11-1-2 (Now 12-5-2)
21. Marlon Hayes 23-10 (Now 23-21)
22. Jesse Oltmanns 10-2 (Now 12-6)
23. Owen Beck 29-10 (Now 29-13)
24. Kertson Manswell 23-5 (Now 25-12)
25. Damon McCreary 14-0 (Now 15-7)
26. Kelvin Price 13-0 (Now 14-2)
27. Matthew Greer 15-8 (Now 16-24)
28. Audley Harrison 31-6 (Now 31-7)
29. Siarhei Liakhovich 25-5 (Now 27-9)
30. Nicolai Firtha 21-10-1 (Now 21-11)
31. Malik Scott 36-1-1 (Now 38-3-1)
32. Jason Gavern 25-16-4 (Now 27-21-4)
33. Bermane Stiverne 24-1-1 (Now 25-5-1)
34. Eric Molina 23-2 (Now 29-8)
35. Johann Duhaupas 32-2-0 (Now 39-7)
36. Artur Szpilka 21-1 (Now 24-5)
37. Chris Arreola 36-4-1 (Now 38-7-1)
38. Gerald Washington 18-0-1 (Now 20-5-1)
39. Bermane Stiverne 25-2-1 (Now 25-5-1)
40. Luis Ortiz 28-0 (Now 33-3)
41. Tyson Fury 27-0 (Now 32-0-1)
42. Dominic Breazeale 20-1 (Now 20-3)
43. Robert Helenius 31-3 (Now 31-4)

Be honest with yourself, how many bums or fighters that are past it are on here?

My answer: 42. Fighters that were past it are Liakhovich, Arreola, and Ortiz.

Fighters that were not a bum or past it are Fury and Fury alone.

When people say Wilder is the hardest hitting HW in history, LOOK AT WHO'S THERE.

42 bums or fighters that were past it. I've been saying ~38 for a long time now, well I was wrong, it's higher!

Who did Wilder not fight that was ranked in the top 10? Well, let's look at some past rankings and make a list after 20-0 which is the modern method of stepping up your opposition to win world titles and etc. That puts us at 2011 with David Long.

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chambers
6. Dimitrenko
7. Chagaev
8. Pulev
9. Haye
10. Jennings
11. Joshua
12. Parker
13. Whyte
14. Miller
15. Usyk
16. Solis
17. Joyce
18. Hrgovic
19. Sanchez

That's just ranked guys, I'm sure there were others that were not ranked that would have been a good fight. Like Wallin, Wach, Chisora, Peter, etc.

Nice work here. Wilder is the biggest bum and fraud in the history of boxing.

[War Room]

Are we discussing punching power or resumes and legacy here?

Hypothetically, a journeyman who lacks the skill, athleticism, heart, discipline, etc. to achieve success could be the hardest puncher of his time.

This is, of course, an exaggerated and unlikely scenario, but not impossible. Punching power cannot be determined through opposition faced alone.

Punching power, clearly. Hypothetically, anything is possible but at the end of the day how many have we seen that fit that bill? Zero.

Of course power in the HW division can be determined through opposition, when you're an A level HW boxer, you almost always have to be tough.

You could use this exact logic with the resumes of Foreman and Shavers. Both littered with cans.

Fighters power often dries up at the top because the A level boxers are much tougher, this is 100% facts. Foreman still kept getting stoppages though.

Nobody in HW history has the effortless one punch power Wilder possesses and this can be visually verified.

Incorrect. 42 bums or past it fighters out of 43 opponents, its right here in front of you. Foreman didn't face 97.62% bums or past it boxers though.

Helenius has been stopped equally as ugly by much lesser fighters with 50% and 56% ko ratio's. Proof

Want the cherry on top? He is doing this as a small HW in the era of modern super-heavyweights.

Wilder doesn't look small to me.



Mike Tyson was a small heavyweight against much bigger opposition, same size as Wilders opposition for the most part. Tyson had a high ko % with lots of ko's at the top.

Every fighter, with a large enough sample size, declines in KO% the larger their opposition get.

It depends on power and grade level of opposition, not size.

Imagine Wilder facing 185 lbs Cooper when he is flatlining 250 lbs behemoths

Cooper who?

Golota was 6'4" 240 and would flatline 6'6" 250 Helenius. 10lbs and 2" doesn't much matter when you can't take a punch. 75% of Helenius losses are by ko and his ko ratio is 57%, which is pretty low.

[SN!PER]

He's an almost 40-year-old bum hunter with poor defense and no skills . . . . and yet AJ won't fight him?

Deontay's calling out AJ, why has the Brit gone silent again? It's easy money, right. . . .

[SN!PER]

[GhostofDempsey]

Easily the most overrated HW champ ever. He ducked Whyte for what would have been his biggest payday at that time, priced himself out of an AJ fight thinking he was worth more than 30% when he isn't even worth 10%, got dominated and schooled by Fury 2x (should have been 3x). His best win was a near 50 year old Ortiz...who himself never beat anyone noteworthy. If it weren't for Fury, this clown would still be earning < $1 million per fight.

[QueensburyRules]

He's an almost 40-year-old bum hunter with poor defense and no skills . . . . and yet AJ won't fight him?

Deontay's calling out AJ, why has the Brit gone silent again? It's easy money, right. . . .

- - Y AJ waste time wif a woosy who already tned down a record purse to fight AJ?

Fighting Blubber for peanuts and a dent in his numbskull making the poor boy punch drunk..

Let him fight Whyte, Chisora, or Pinky Toe Haye.