Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder: Whether It's Andy Ruiz or Oleksandr Usyk - I'm Ready!

[Sid-Knee]

LOL didn't Fury come back and beat John McDermott??? This is the problem. You're hanging onto controversial decisions Fury had ten years ago.

All you Joshua fans are ****ing weird. As stated, you're liking of him is based more on your latent ****sexual attraction than it is on genuine appreciation of talent.

Did Chisora beat Usyk the way McDermott did with Fury? No. You're an idiot who is detached from reality. I don't care what AJ did to give you this emotional vendetta. That's your problem. But he's messed you up, that's for sure. Nothing is creepier and weirder than that. I can support everything i write. You can't. You're enraged like this is personal with you and AJ. Now you're coming up with h0mophobic projections and ad hominem fallacies.

How about Chisora wiping out a Spilka that Wilder struggled with and was losing until the stoppage? Don't tell me, you'll move the goalposts again yeah? Wilder struggling against Molina when AJ wiped him out. Didn't have as many fights either.

Go away you clown.

[Sid-Knee]

Maybe you need to look at the history of what transpired between the Joshua and Wilder camps, reason a bit and avoid jumping to a myopic viewpoint that there can only be one reason Wilder eventually turned down Joshus and instead fought Fury. Your conclusion is that Wilder turned down more money to fight Joshua than Fury because he was ducking Joshua. I don't believe that was the case at all, what I do believe is Wilder realized he was being played by Hearn and he decided to end that situation. A fight with Fury was much better than accepting a fight with Joshua that was probably still not going to happen.

Syd-Knee, your dogmatism and insults don't hurt anyone but yourself, once you grow up to be a man, you'll realize that.

Wilder didn't fight Fury next. He fought Breazeal and the Ortiz rematch.

Hearn wasn't involved in the negotiations. He stepped aside and forced Wilder and his team to come up with a new set of excuses as to why he was running away again. Wilder was the only one who played himself. However, Wilder didn't say he was being played. He said he "Turned down more money" how could he turn it down if the reason was due to being supposedly "Played"?

Make as many excuses for the coward as you want. None of them will make any sense. You're a nationalist on a very disturbed level. You're a deceiver and dishonest to the point that you're a straight up liar. When you defame someone's name and character for an extremist and scumbag like Wilder, your moral level is clearly on show. If you're a man, i would hope some shame could be felt. But it's clearly beyond your capabilities.

[OldTerry]

Wilder didn't fight Fury next. He fought Breazeal and the Ortiz rematch.

Hearn wasn't involved in the negotiations. He stepped aside and forced Wilder and his team to come up with a new set of excuses as to why he was running away again. Wilder was the only one who played himself. However, Wilder didn't say he was being played. He said he "Turned down more money" how could he turn it down if the reason was due to being supposedly "Played"?

Make as many excuses for the coward as you want. None of them will make any sense. You're a nationalist on a very disturbed level. You're a deceiver and dishonest to the point that you're a straight up liar. When you defame someone's name and character for an extremist and scumbag like Wilder, your moral level is clearly on show. If you're a man, i would hope some shame could be felt. But it's clearly beyond your capabilities.

Your argumentation and rebuttal were very powerful, and I commend you for that. The problem is you seem to believe that Wilder turned down the fight despite being offered more money because he was afraid of AJ. The truth is he turned down the fight because of the way "Hearn" and Joshua were treating him, which was as if he wasn't their equal. You may think Hearn wasn't involved and that there was no trickery, but you are being naive.

[Sid-Knee]

Your argumentation and rebuttal were very powerful, and I commend you for that. The problem is you seem to believe that Wilder turned down the fight despite being offered more money because he was afraid of AJ. The truth is he turned down the fight because of the way "Hearn" and Joshua were treating him, which was as if he wasn't their equal. You may think Hearn wasn't involved and that there was no trickery, but you are being naive.

Your excuses for the coward get even worse.

Don't make things up, tell me in great detail how Wilder was treated badly by Hearn when he wasn't involved in the negotiations? Spell it out? What was the supposed trickery? How was AJ treating the coward "Badly" AJ never slandered and tried to discredit Wilder the way Wilder did to AJ. But here you've turned it around which is always the case. Tell me what he did?

And yes, Wilder ran for the umpteenth time because he scared. Just like he was scared of all the top guys so fought all the garbage nobody asked for. For his whole career. Not one world class fighter he's beaten. Yet you don't think that's strange? You're a nationalist extremist. Nothing more.

[OldTerry]

Your excuses for the coward get even worse.

Don't make things up, tell me in great detail how Wilder was treated badly by Hearn when he wasn't involved in the negotiations? Spell it out? What was the supposed trickery? How was AJ treating the coward "Badly" AJ never slandered and tried to discredit Wilder the way Wilder did to AJ. But here you've turned it around which is always the case. Tell me what he did?

And yes, Wilder ran for the umpteenth time because he scared. Just like he was scared of all the top guys so fought all the garbage nobody asked for. For his whole career. Not one world class fighter he's beaten. Yet you don't think that's strange? You're a nationalist extremist. Nothing more.

You do know that Fury hs now said that he will never fight Joshua/ Would you say Fury is a coward and afraid of Joshua? Fury's reason is founded on the tactics of Joshua's team, just as Wilder's were. Here's a recent quote from Fury:

"Before turning to his trilogy fight with Chisora, who he beat in 2011 and 2014, Tyson turned his fury on Joshua for ‘ducking the last big money fight of his career.’
He went on: ‘"The fight didn’t happen because they didn’t want it. After the first seven days of discussions, they never had any intentions of it taking place.
Joshua realised how daunting the task was and he got talked out of it by his people and himself. There was just too much messing about. I’m not going through that all over again. They’re too hard to deal with. No more wasting time with idiots. "

[Legends456]

Deontay Wilder is in a unique position. He’s on the wrong side of 35, but he has ATG punch power and a fairly good chin as well.

Fury has clearly proven to be a step above him, but what other competition does Wilder have?

Usyk is an elite boxer, but he is very possibly too small to ride Wilder’s power shots or clinch his way out of trouble the way Fury could.

Joshua has the boxing skills and the power necessary to deal with a foe like Wilder, but he doesn’t have the chin or the recuperative ability of Fury. He also seems to go into panic mode when faced with adversity. Though I’d have to say I like Joshua better than Wilder, I would be surprised (not not shocked) if he can weather the relentless storm that is Wilder.

Ruiz seems to have a great — though probably not ATG — chin, and decent handspeed, but that’s about it. His commitment to the fight game also seems to be rather lax. There’s always that outside chance Ruiz could ride Wilder’s power shots, get inside, and break him down early, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Prime Mike Tyson he is not.

Other than Fury, Joe Joyce is probably the best opponent for Wilder of the current established names that can give him a true fight. Joyce seems to have a great — maybe even a lower-eschelon ATG — chin, and a relentless style that does not bode well for Wilder, who, although quick and explosive, is no endurance athlete.

Besides those guys, and some unproven prospects who may or may not have a shot, pretty much everyone else at heavyweight is at Helenius and Breazeale level.

It’s just not that deep of an era at heavyweight, and aside from Fury and Joyce, I would expect Wilder to knock everyone else out and look good while doing so, hence covering the likely fact that he is already slipping and isn’t as good and “new” as everyone is saying he is.

[Sid-Knee]

You do know that Fury hs now said that he will never fight Joshua/ Would you say Fury is a coward and afraid of Joshua? Fury's reason is founded on the tactics of Joshua's team, just as Wilder's were. Here's a recent quote from Fury:

"Before turning to his trilogy fight with Chisora, who he beat in 2011 and 2014, Tyson turned his fury on Joshua for ‘ducking the last big money fight of his career.’
He went on: ‘"The fight didn’t happen because they didn’t want it. After the first seven days of discussions, they never had any intentions of it taking place.
Joshua realised how daunting the task was and he got talked out of it by his people and himself. There was just too much messing about. I’m not going through that all over again. They’re too hard to deal with. No more wasting time with idiots. "

I don't care about your fallacies. Tell me what the tricks were like you claimed? Fury is a coward and a pathological liar who has slandered AJ for years due to a bitter and toxic inferiority complex. AJ accepted all his pathetic terms and forced Fury to shut the fight down another way with all these timelines. He never wanted the AJ fight at any point. He was just hoping AJ would turn it down after two straight losses and he could use his name and slander and defame him some more. But it all backfired and Fury was once again exposed. It's the same cowardly tactics Wilder used. Not a single rational person is as dumb as to buy into this laughable lunacy.

But as i say, tell me about these tricks when Eddie wasn't even involved in the negotiations? Eddie knocked down one of their roadblocks when they said they weren't dealing with him as they were getting angry at having their backs pushed against the wall and forced to take a fight they were scared of. Eddie brought in John Skipper and exposed them hard. Again.

[OldTerry]

I don't care about your fallacies. Tell me what the tricks were like you claimed? Fury is a coward and a pathological liar who has slandered AJ for years due to a bitter and toxic inferiority complex. AJ accepted all his pathetic terms and forced Fury to shut the fight down another way with all these timelines. He never wanted the AJ fight at any point. He was just hoping AJ would turn it down after two straight losses and he could use his name and slander and defame him some more. But it all backfired and Fury was once again exposed. It's the same cowardly tactics Wilder used. Not a single rational person is as dumb as to buy into this laughable lunacy.

But as i say, tell me about these tricks when Eddie wasn't even involved in the negotiations? Eddie knocked down one of their roadblocks when they said they weren't dealing with him as they were getting angry at having their backs pushed against the wall and forced to take a fight they were scared of. Eddie brought in John Skipper and exposed them hard. Again.

Good comment, I give you an A*.

[rickJen]

Deontay Wilder is out of sync with his manager, Shelly Finkel,
who's been obsessively talking about how the Joshua fight is still massive.
Shirley is missing huge money offers for his clients he never had in his entire career.
He's feeling guilty the way he treated those offers like he didn't need them.
And now he stil thinks DAZN is still into spending money like drunken sailors.
Wilder needs to get rid of that Finkel fella and chart his own career without him.