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  • #21
    Originally posted by Dakuwaqa View Post

    If you recommend a blue belt trying to take a random down and submit them you're a complete moron.

    I’m a former BJJ practitioner. It isn’t a great martial art for self defence.

    You’re better off with boxing/Muay Thai and wrestling.

    BJJ is way too complicated to have a good chance of success unless you’ve been doing it for years.

    Strikes complete negate BJJs effectiveness.

    Also the ground is the worst place you wanna be in a street fight.

    Learn to be able to throw quick punches, move your feet and run.

    Rolling around on the pavement gtfoh
    There's no way in Hell youve done any serious BJJ training and no way youve even made Blue. You're probably a wannabe that spent 3 weeks each at a couple of gyms before realizing you're still going to get beat up by your wife's boyfriends for at least a year and that the BJJ stickers on your hoopty weren't going to stop road ragers from punking you out and chasing you down while you speed away calling the cops on your cell.

    "Strikes completely negate BJJ effectiveness"

    And you're claiming to have trained in a Gracie academy? Have you ever even heard of Royce Gracie or investigated what made GJJ so popular? What a joke. You must be trolling. If you're serious and you're not mentally challenged, go watch the first few UFCs and then get off the internet and get your fat, soft, scared body to a CCW class before some rabid ex marine bends you over and busts your cheeks because of a parking spot in front of your humiliated old lady.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by HeadShots View Post

      jiujitsu doesn't train take-downs enough. they pull guard.

      on the streets if ur on the bottom, it's over. eye gouge, headbutts, etc
      ... testicle grabbing, biting, finger snapping, head stamping ...

      Jiujitsu works great if your opponent sticks to the rules of jiutitsu. There are no rules in a street fight. Best tactic is to stay firmly on your feet and knock him TFO as quickly as possible. That's where boxing training comes into its own.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by The Devil Knows Boxing View Post

        There's no way in Hell youve done any serious BJJ training and no way youve even made Blue. You're probably a wannabe that spent 3 weeks each at a couple of gyms before realizing you're still going to get beat up by your wife's boyfriends for at least a year and that the BJJ stickers on your hoopty weren't going to stop road ragers from punking you out and chasing you down while you speed away calling the cops on your cell.

        "Strikes completely negate BJJ effectiveness"

        And you're claiming to have trained in a Gracie academy? Have you ever even heard of Royce Gracie or investigated what made GJJ so popular? What a joke. You must be trolling. If you're serious and you're not mentally challenged, go watch the first few UFCs and then get off the internet and get your fat, soft, scared body to a CCW class before some rabid ex marine bends you over and busts your cheeks because of a parking spot in front of your humiliated old lady.
        If you say so bro

        I wouldn’t recommend BJJ for self-defence as I think fighting on the ground ‘is the last place you want to be’

        Concrete, clothes, punches, scratches, other people around would make it very difficult to effectively pull off a submission as a blue belt.

        You want to end the fight ‘as soon as possible’

        Mastering single and double leg takes downs and sparring ‘so you used to someone swinging at you’ is a much better idea.

        But whatevs bro you do you

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        • #24
          Originally posted by TMLT87 View Post

          I think judo is probably the best grappling art for the street. Lots of quick explosive sweeps that send the other guy to the concrete hard without you having to go down there with them or commit yourself too much.
          Originally posted by Dakuwaqa View Post

          Yeah judo is great for self-defence I completely agree.

          You don't want to make things complicated. Knowing even a few simple Judo takedowns would be extremely beneficial.
          I used to knock around with a guy who took up judo. He practised for a while and passed a couple of gradings. Then I heard he got into a fight with some fat guy outside a pub. My mate grabbed the front of the fat guy's sweater, stepped back and yanked on it as hard he could, hoping to use his body weight to unbalance the guy and toss him down to the pavement. The fat guy's sweater stretched but he didn't budge. My mate lost his balance and fell over. The fat guy in the baggy sweater then proceeded to kick the **** out of him until bystanders intervened.
          Last edited by kafkod; 10-04-2022, 12:18 PM.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by Dakuwaqa View Post

            If you say so bro

            I wouldn’t recommend BJJ for self-defence as I think fighting on the ground ‘is the last place you want to be’

            Concrete, clothes, punches, scratches, other people around would make it very difficult to effectively pull off a submission as a blue belt.

            You want to end the fight ‘as soon as possible’

            Mastering single and double leg takes downs and sparring ‘so you used to someone swinging at you’ is a much better idea.

            But whatevs bro you do you
            I haven't been in a ton of street fights, but when I have people always take me to the ground if I don't throw the first punch. You really don't have a choice other than ending it before it begins. Boxing is even worse than BJJ in the sense that it takes YEARS before it would help you in a street fight. If we are talking about advanced Boxing training then yeah, a blue belt is going to get murdered by Canelo. But this guy is talking about sparring, meaning he is a complete beginner. In a sense we are both correct because it depends on what the attacker is doing. If they want to throw hands, then yes the sparring will help, but if they see you have hands and try to tackle you and pound you out, even a white belt is going to prevail. Another issue is you're speaking from an offensive pov and I'm speaking defensive. If the guy is out starting fights, he's gonna get stabbed or shot GUARANTEED. no, blue belts shouldnt be attacking people. If you're trying to use these skills to attack people, then yes Boxing is better because you'll get to throw the first shot and end it. But the title of this thread is asking if it's good for defending yourself.
            Last edited by The Devil Knows Boxing; 10-04-2022, 12:15 PM.
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            • #26
              Any martial art will help give an edge and 90% of the time an edge is all you'll need unless you're actively courting trouble or you got the sort of enemies you only get by doing things you shouldn't. Vast majority of fights you'll find is just drunken *******s looking to vent.

              And I ain't getting the issues between BJJ and Boxing - either can be picked up to a level which can make a difference pretty quickly but I'd argue they're complimentary... You find yourself on the ground, and many, many streetfights go that way then your boxing ain't worth shit though of course if your dudes mates start stamping on you 6 months BJJ won't save you either. If you can deter an ******* with a coupla punches before it even gets going though of course mores the better.

              In any case just the conbfidence you get from a bit of training and knowing how to carry yourself can be enough to deter a dickhead looking for an easy target.

              For the record my foundation was Judo as a kid, about 3 years then Taekwondo for about 18 month, bit of boxing (though it was pretty casual TBH mainly just sparring with mates who did box) and latterly about 3 years of BJJ - although that's slipped the last coupl;a yerars since COVID hit... lack of money mainly. Been in plenty of fights in my younger years - young man's ego combined with poor lifes choices and in my experience you use what you got. I can punch a bit but I naturally gravitate towards throws and grappling cos of my foundation in judo as akid.

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              • #27
                Boxing plus wrestling, or boxing plus judo. (Or replace boxing with Muay Thai.)

                That will get most of your bases covered.

                Just don't get a false sense of confidence about using no handwraps and no gloves on the street. You can easily damage your hands.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by kafkod View Post

                  ... testicle grabbing, biting, finger snapping, head stamping ...

                  Jiujitsu works great if your opponent sticks to the rules of jiutitsu. There are no rules in a street fight. Best tactic is to stay firmly on your feet and knock him TFO as quickly as possible. That's where boxing training comes into its own.

                  correct.


                  as a wrestler, there's nothing a BJJ guy can do to me.


                  a lot of early UFC guys stay in BJJ guy's guard because they don't know BJJ. get subbed.


                  I'd take BJJ guy down, stand up as he's in guard then grab his feet and separate the legs, then stomp his balls in a street fight.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Dakuwaqa View Post

                    If you say so bro

                    I wouldn’t recommend BJJ for self-defence as I think fighting on the ground ‘is the last place you want to be’

                    Concrete, clothes, punches, scratches, other people around would make it very difficult to effectively pull off a submission as a blue belt.

                    You want to end the fight ‘as soon as possible’

                    Mastering single and double leg takes downs and sparring ‘so you used to someone swinging at you’ is a much better idea.

                    But whatevs bro you do you
                    Best not to go to ground but that's the way a lotta fights go anyway so it's worth being prepared, but honestly you shouldnt even be looking for a submission as a beginner anyway, just concentrate on the energy management and getting either a really tight guard or a really stable adaptive mount and learn how to apply your weight. Vast majority of the time an untrained dude gonna empty their tank very quickly struggling to either hit you or get out from under you and gonna start looking for a way out.

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                    • #30
                      Ahh, the old Boxing vs MMA in a streetfight debate.

                      The most effective sports in this is an all out sprint away from the proceedings.

                      If you punch somebody in the head, you can kill him and go to jail.

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