Ofcourse Marquez Deserves to Lose his P4P Spot: He didn't Just Lose, He was OWNED!

[Fulcrum29]

He got owned? Alright, I guess you could say that. But will a true welterweight like Mosley get owned against Mayweather? Might have to think about that. I give Marquez all the credit for moving up two weight classes and trying at least, since that's not even where he should be fighting at.

Hey ***tard this thread has nothing to do with who can beat Mayweather or what a "true welterweight" can do. Take your soggy ass stale hater arguments to the other generic Floyd hate threads. This thread is simply stating that as p4p you are assumed to be skilled enough to be able to be COMPETITIVE with anyone within several weight divisions of you. To be p4p #2 and arguably #1 in the world like Marquez was but yet be utterly humilitiated and dominated in embarrassing fashion is NOT becoming of a guy in the top 3 p4p list.

[Pullcounter]

Guys stop being ridiculous acting like Marquez battled Floyd to a tough SD or Draw like he did against Pacman. He got dominated and utterly owned 120-107. Mayweather won EVERY SINGLE ROUND and knocked Marquez down and hurt him bad. This isn't the type of outing a #2 p4p fighter should be having against ANYONE. I guarantee you that any other top 5 p4p fighter moves up 2 weight divisions and fights a top guy they will at least b competitive. Remember when Hopkins was p4p and DLH moved up to face him at Middleweight? DLH at least was competitive and arguably won most of the first 6 rounds according to many people until the freak kidney shot incapacitated him.
But here we have the arguable p4p #1 fighter Marquez moving up a mere 7lbs and he got UTTERLY OWNED and dominated 120-107. Floyd sort of EXPOSED Marquez and it's only right that he drops a ton of spaces and Floyd takes his #2 or #1 spot.

jmm is still #2... pbf had ever advantage and stacked the deck against jmm.

[Fulcrum29]

I bet you if Floyd moved up even to Middleweight and fought P. Williams there or Kelly Pavlik etc - it doens't even matter if Floyd would lose, DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL. The fact is that he would 100% guarantee be at least COMPETITIVE with them. P4P rankings are about SKILL not SIZE. Are you all telling me that JMM has so little skills that he only used his size to beat opponents at the lower weight divisions and now that he moves up where size advantage is not an option for him against Floyd suddenly he has no weapons left, no skills so he gets brutalized and dominated?
A p4p fighter should have SKILLS not size. Mayweather had both in this fight but most importantly at least he has the SKILLS to be a true top 3 p4p and has proved it by being a 5 division champ and being competitive in all his fights including the one or two that people thought he might have lost (Castillo/DLH).

[Fulcrum29]

jmm is still #2... pbf had ever advantage and stacked the deck against jmm.

No JMM isn't check the rankings ******. JMM will never be top 3 p4p again in his life.

[1nonlymre]

So true, Fulcrum, so true. I hoped, at the very least, that saturday's fight would be competetive and it wasn't. Partly because Floyd is so good defensively, and partly because JMM did little in terms of offense, let alone effective offense.

[Jim Jeffries]

No JMM isn't check the rankings ******. JMM will never be top 3 p4p again in his life.

He's probably talking about his own rankings, ******. Writers at Ring Magazine who have never boxed a day in their life agreeing on a make believe subjective list, don't really mean anything.

Hey weren't you the guy that said if the Floyd that fought Hatton gained 10 lbs, he would look like Jeff Lacy? The guy that weighs 180 in the ring? ******.

But you're right, a 36 year old fading career featherweight probably doesn't have the ability left to increase his imaginary ranking in their minds.

[Dorian]

Thats like Pacquiao fighting Kelly Pavlik, looses then he gets dropped of the p4p list...

[Warbeast]

jmm was desparate and made a bad choice.

[Fulcrum29]

So true, Fulcrum, so true. I hoped, at the very least, that saturday's fight would be competetive and it wasn't. Partly because Floyd is so good defensively, and partly because JMM did little in terms of offense, let alone effective offense.

Exactly I keep telling people that yes weight has an effect to some degree. But take a look at DLH/Hopkins for example. DLH was moving up to Middleweight and challenged the much bigger Hopkins. Was there a huge size disparity? Yes, was there a huge skill disparity? No because DLH arguably controlled the first half of the fight. Most people had him winning most of the first 6 rounds because size had nothing to do witht he fact that DLH still had the skills to throw and land punches on Hopkins. Size THEN and only then began to play an advantage with Bernard's punching power disparity when he KO'd Oscar with that body shot. But prior to that at least it was competitive and the SKILLS of DLH made size not as important.
But when we look at PBF/JMM suddenly we see the opposite of that. We see huge disparities in statistics that would have virtually no connections to size. Did Floyd's size make JMM connect at 15%? WTF??? If anything the bigger you are, the slower you are the BETTER your opponent's connect rate should be on you. Clearly this is evidence of a huge skill disparity and size had very little to do with it.
If Mayweather would have knocked Marquez out or hurt him multiple times over and over we could have argued about size advantages. DLH was much faster than Hopkins size Hopkins was bigger and more cumbersome and this aided DLH in controlling a bit of the fight at first until the size advantage came into play. But in PBF/JMM, PBF was not only much bigger but ALSO MUCH FASTER! And there was no moment where the size disparity came into play because PBF DID NOT FIGHT AS THE BIGGER MAN. He fought Marquez all night as if he was the smaller, quicker, slicker fighter. The fight would have ended even more embarrassingly if Floyd was smaller or if it was at 140lbs or below because the speed disparity would have been even more shocking.

[Fulcrum29]

He's probably talking about his own rankings, ******. Writers at Ring Magazine who have never boxed a day in their life agreeing on a make believe subjective list, don't really mean anything.

Hey weren't you the guy that said if the Floyd that fought Hatton gained 10 lbs, he would look like Jeff Lacy? The guy that weighs 180 in the ring? ******.

But you're right, a 36 year old fading career featherweight probably doesn't have the ability left to increase his imaginary ranking in their minds.

Weren't you the moron who failed ESL because his Burger King job was giving him too many hours and failed to learn how to read proper English? I clearly said that Floyd would have looked like a 160's version of Jeff Lacy I did not say in absolute terms "Jeff Lacy" which you just conveniently added your own "180lbs" qualifier to like the attempting-to-be-slick ****** that you are.