You guys are to blame for Spence/Crawford not happening

[The Big Dunn]

Crawford is 35 yrs old today folks let that sink in.

And yes while other big fights took long to make ala Dlh/Trinidad and Pac/Floyd atleast those guys were all bona-fide superstars. Bud and Spence aren't even known in there own country let alone the rest of the world they have no reason to act like divas.

If they’re unknown, why are you making a thread prematurely about the fight being off?

[HandsofIron]

Both of them are p u z z y s, this fight should of been made 3-4 years ago.

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Crawford has fought good competition. They can’t be judged by where they are today, but where they were when Crawford beat them.

Postil, Gamboa, Burns, Indongo- all very good wins at the time. None ATG’s but all tough, experienced solid pros.

NSB collectively likes to forget where guys were when fights took place when discussing certain fighters. That needs to stop.

Here is the thing... what did those guys go on to do after losing to Crawford?

[The Big Dunn]

Here is the thing... what did those guys go on to do after losing to Crawford?

Not much. Again I don’t think you judge quality on what happens after they fought Crawford, you base it on where they were when they fought.

Would be like not giving Chavez credit for Taylor given how far he fell after.

Feel me?

[Sheldon312]

This is the problem with boxing now, fans have made it more about being 'accomplished' than actually beating good competition.

I agree. Does anyone honestly think that Kostya Tszyu is better than Floyd, Manny, GGG, Pernell, Chavez, Spence, and Cotto?

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

I agree. Does anyone honestly think that Kostya Tszyu is better than Floyd, Manny, GGG, Pernell, Chavez, Spence, and Cotto?

It's funny you use Kostya Tszyu as an example because he's actually one of my favorite fighters. Lol and I do think he's better than GGG and Cotto, at least on their level.

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Not much. Again I don’t think you judge quality on what happens after they fought Crawford, you base it on where they were when they fought.

Would be like not giving Chavez credit for Taylor given how far he fell after.

Feel me?

Actually it does matter. None of those guys ever held a belt again or won a significant fight for that matter. How good were they really if all it took was one loss for them to fall off the map?

Literally the only guy Crawford has ever beaten that is a legit good win(as much as people discredit him as being a good fighter on here) is Shawn Porter. 2x champ and a lot of good wins, hell Porter high key has one of the besr resumes in boxing and he did it all in one weight class. Some guys have to go through 3 or 4 weight classes to get half of the wins Porter collected.

I'm not saying Spence has some other wordly resume either, but it is without a doubt better than Crawford's. Spence is nowhere near as accomplished as Crawford is though. You see the difference in the two by the star power they have. Fighting good fighters at the right time > collecting a bunch of belts off one and done champs.

[The Big Dunn]

Actually it does matter. None of those guys ever held a belt again or won a significant fight for that matter. How good were they really if all it took was one loss for them to fall off the map?

Literally the only guy Crawford has ever beaten that is a legit good win(as much as people discredit him as being a good fighter on here) is Shawn Porter. 2x champ and a lot of good wins, hell Porter high key has one of the besr resumes in boxing and he did it all in one weight class. Some guys have to go through 3 or 4 weight classes to get half of the wins Porter collected.

I'm not saying Spence has some other wordly resume either, but it is without a doubt better than Crawford's. Spence is nowhere near as accomplished as Crawford is though. You see the difference in the two by the star power they have. Fighting good fighters at the right time > collecting a bunch of belts off one and done champs.

Fair point. But Porter hasn’t done anything since either.

Criticism of Crawford’s resume is fair, but i just think the criticism should be fair.

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Fair point. But Porter hasn’t done anything since either.

Criticism of Crawford’s resume is fair, but i just think the criticism should be fair.

I mean Porter said he was going to retire before he fought Crawford, win or lose. He wanted to retire after he said he trained harder for Spence than any other fight he trained for and lost, whereas before Crawford fight Porter's dad/trainer said Porter wasn't training or preparing properly for the fight. Porter was coming off three consecutive title defenses before he fought Spence and two of his last 4 wins were Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas. Going into the Crawford fight Porter was coming off over a year of inactivity his last win being Sebastian Formella(WHO?!) and he was doing more color commentary and podcasts than actual boxing.

I'm not being unfair to Crawford here, I'm just stating facts.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I do believe the Lack Of LOYAL Boxing Fans is why Less and Less Networks are willing to invest big into boxing. The Fickleness of Boxing fans No Question is hurting the sport! IF Boxing had Loyal Fans like other sports, a network Invest into the sport and we would be getting fights on a Network for Free like NBA, NFL, MLB who show their Big Championship games for FREE

Networks and APPS will invest more into Influencers, Jake Paul getting an Exclusive Showtime Deal and KSI getting an Exclusive DAZN Deal because they're BRINGING an Audience to these Platforms, a big Audience at that. Pro Fighters are bringing NOTHING but expect so much.

You want Fights Free, we have to support the Sport Consistently. They not in a rush to make the fights we all want because it is no money in it and Networks an investor do not want to lose money. Fighters also need to do a better job of selling their sport also, these guys are all boring with Dry standoffish personalities. Take some media training and acting classes or something get a personality to help sell yourself to casuals

Loyalty to what?

KSI, the Paul brothers, AnEsonGib, etc. Do you know why they have loyal followers?

They all have a gimmick. Personality. They know that entertainment is a big part of it. That's why guys like Fury, Wilder, Chisora, etc. can always draw a crowd, they will entertain.

Nobody wants to see "Boring Ass" Frank Sanchez out there. Or guys like Crawford who are dull and barely talk during pressers, or guys who talk all nice and respectful about each other and then go in there barely trying.

There's a reason Tank Davis is perceived as the guy everyone wants to fight, the top guy. Why Spence is widely accepted as the top welterweight. Why Teofimo despite having no belts is the target. All of those guys sell their fights.


Just with Spence alone - he just throws out these quality, memorable lines and his twang just makes it work.