What is up with Joe Joyce seriously?

[LA_2_Vegas]

Joyce is a lot of fun. I could watch the jab fire off all day, he's always moving his feet and hovering around, not just in front of the guy.

The fun factor reminds me of watching old Foreman - he fights like a big man and it's easy to understand. At the time I was too young to see young Foreman so all I knew was the old version.

I know he has title aspirations but at some point I'd love to see a fun comic book fight between Juggernaut v Big **** in China

[Toffee]

In theory, he's human, so you are right. He can be hurt.

I just expected Parker to be able to. He hit Joe clean with everything, including to the body and he just plowed forward.

Gotta catch him with something he doesn't see.

I've always questioned the idea of a great chin and figured it's more your ability to see a punch coming and ride it, combined with heart and, yes, some innate 'toughness' in some fighters.

Joyce makes me question that. Against Parker he took big shots and they didn't even break up the shot he was about to throw. He just carried on moving forward and throwing punches.

Is it possible that we're under rating Joyce and he just has great awareness and sees every punch?

[Toffee]

Forgot about Dubois to be fair but Dubois is relatively unproven anyway.

Hasn't beaten anyone in the Top 10.

But yeah you're right Dubois can punch, atleast and he took those shots well.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a good chin because clearly he does but will be more clear when he fights a proven puncher.

I think Dubois' performance in his loss to Joyce is starting to look decent. He fought well, stayed with Joyce and it was just his eye got absolutely fcuked up. I think the judges had him ahead?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Dubois without the injury, I think maybe could of beaten Joyce 'At-least run him extremely close'. There was even a point in the fight, were? Dubois started to use his own Jab, and win rounds. There was a point in the Parker fight, were you kind of seen him drop off and the momentum was with Joyce 'Parker carried on fighting hard, but you could just see that Joyce had masses of momentum'.

Dubois seemed to continually keep resisting that drop off, he was in that fight for as long as he was in there.

Dubois power also bothered Joyce, more so than Parker's power.

Parker and Dubois are big punchers, they hit with more power than 90% of the division.

So I think it is proven that Joyce has world class durability. But there has been signs, that he has a definitive threshold.

Will Joshua, Fury or Wilder surpass that threshold with their power? That would probably be the determining factor for them to win.

The heavyweights it is a peculiar division. Sometimes styles and fights look one way when you analyse them. But when the fighters actually meet inside the ring, the actions plays out differently.

I disagree with the people trying to play down Joyce's performance last night. I have noticed that behavior once again, is coming from hardcore Fury fans. Notice how every time another fighter looks to be joining the party at top level 'There will be hardcore Fury fans, sparking narratives to defame a fighters abilities'.

Joyce is right there, this is the reality of the situation. I wonder if he will fight again, before his title fight? If he fights another big fight, people are then going to start asking questions 'Why are the champions staying quiet about this guy?'.

Wonder what he does not, just wait for the title fight or have another tick over fight?

[Ghost Jab]

I've always questioned the idea of a great chin and figured it's more your ability to see a punch coming and ride it, combined with heart and, yes, some innate 'toughness' in some fighters.

Joyce makes me question that. Against Parker he took big shots and they didn't even break up the shot he was about to throw. He just carried on moving forward and throwing punches.

Is it possible that we're under rating Joyce and he just has great awareness and sees every punch?

I personally think Tyson Fury is the perfect example of seeing punches coming, great heart, ability to ride punches, and toughness.

I don’t think Tyson Fury has an ATG chin like some people say, only a good chin combined with those other attributes. That’s what got him through with his scares with Wilder.

True ATG chins would be Chuvalo, McCall, Tua, and the like.

As far as I can tell so far, Joyce may be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

TLDR, Tyson Fury would be a perfect example of what you’ve always thought is behind a great chin.

But I agree, Joyce is the real deal. He’s got an old block of wood for a head.

[eco1]

I am just afraid that he gets to be a walking zombie when he gets old from all the shots.
Juggernaut is the perfect name for him.

[Ghost Jab]

Yes, I think DDD power was bothering Joyce but Joyce kept composure and hid it ok. DDD leaves everyone strickened mess on floor I'm sure is one of hardest hitters in division.
You mean fury wants to get out of game, I think after wilder fights he does. I think more likely wilder fights Joyce though I'm sure

DDD hits harder than Wilder.

[Gideon lock]

Good post. I always thought that Parker was over rated. He's a good fighter, not very good and far from great. Fans should appreciate Joyce for his attitude and his durability. At his age he is passed his best. But he's not hitting the steep decline part over the hill yet. Joyce needs to fight someone else in the top ten soon before he's too old.

Thanks, I first watched Parker against ruiz and saw a capable but limited contender. He's small like usyk for a heavyweight, but he doesn't use his size for evasion when fighting he fights like a bigger man which wears him out and makes his footwork fall apart often in fights leading to him getting tagged and demoralised.

I agree about Joyce he hasn't many miles on the professional clock but needs to get these big fights rather soon. Although he is probably seen as high risk low reward for all the top fighters at heavy so it will be hard to nail down a fight.

[Dr. Z]

Thanks, I first watched Parker against ruiz and saw a capable but limited contender. He's small like usyk for a heavyweight, but he doesn't use his size for evasion when fighting he fights like a bigger man which wears him out and makes his footwork fall apart often in fights leading to him getting tagged and demoralised.

I agree about Joyce he hasn't many miles on the professional clock but needs to get these big fights rather soon. Although he is probably seen as high risk low reward for all the top fighters at heavy so it will be hard to nail down a fight.

You see him as I do. Joyce was lucky to win vs Dubois who quit. Dubois who was ahead by 4 rounds on my card quit in the 10 round. Now Dubois is you slightly better average boxer, no better which means if a fighter does't gas like Parker does and has some range and movement, Joyce needs a KO. I don't think he'll beat Fury or Usyk. Too much defense and stamina. Maybe he can get to Fury, who I fell is over rated himself. Joyce he is past his prime by the time the next big fight is made.

Parker is a nice win, but he is a loser in his three toughest fights. What does the tell you?

[SN!PER]

Guy eats left hooks for breakfast

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