Comments Thread For: Measured Against All Time: Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[MCFM]

I don’t consider Mayweather to be the best ever or even the best in any weight class he’s fought in, but your undefeated record argument is skewed. Who you beat needs to be taken into consideration more than the undefeated record or streak. For all of Chavez wins, he was literally still facing novice level boxers on a consistent basis when he was a world champion with 50, 60, and 70 plus wins. He only beat 2 fighters who became hall of famers. Quite different than mayweathers quality of opposition in 50 fights.

If u gonna say that, go mention the guys Floyd fought and WHEN coz u can name ZERO guy he fought at their best, them going to HoF is irrelevant when they didnt fought at their best

[MCFM]

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History will remember PAC losing to Floyd and 7 other fighters.
History will also remember PAC getting destroyed by Marquez with one single punch.
History will also remember the catchweight fights PAC had in fact the 154 Ibs title was fought at 150Ibs and against a guy who had just been KO’d a year earlier by Mosley.

History will remember froid as the guy Jake Paul fought in an embarassing exhibition

[MCFM]

Marquez knocked Pacquiao out at welterweight.

Did anyone dominate JMM like Floyd did? The answer is no.

Did u even read anything of what i said?

[aboutfkntime]

The Marg fight we don't know. GGG at 154 was there, Williams was there. I rate the Gassiev win of Usyk higher or just as high as the Hatton win. And Hatton is one of the best names on Floyds resume.

Hatton is not a top 5 name on Mayweathers resume, and Gassiev is not a top name period

if you think Plodkin could have beaten Floyd at 154 then this aint your sport fella

no way would Plodkin be the same fighter at 154, and he is way too slow for Mayweather

also.... we remember how you crybabies wet your pants over the 2 pounds that Canelo had to lose






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[Haka]

Floyd beat the guys that beat them,,,,, the rest of your post is utter BS.

The Marg fight we don't know. GGG at 154 was there, Williams was there. I rate the Gassiev win of Usyk higher or just as high as the Hatton win. And Hatton is one of the best names on Floyds resume.

[Roadblock]

When should he have fought Mosley ? It is not my problem, Floyd should've ATLEAST fought Lara/GGG/Williams/Marg to get even with Usyk instead of fighting Mosley, the Mosley fight was a fight for the records but he had no legs at 37 years old. Not athletic enough (anymore) to compete with Mayweather who has always been a better boxer. Also rememeber the IV's for the weigh in's the 'small' myth is just a myth. May was a regular sized WW.

Williams had to move up because he could get no fights at 147. Williams was the feared man at the time during his 147 campaign due to his size. And Floyd did not fight him although the fight was there to be made, Floyd couldve proved a point like Usyk did against Joshua. Regarding to Margarito, May fought Baldomir instead of the boogeyman Margarito. You have to take this into account when dissecting legacy. Usyk only ever took on the best and won. This is not what May has done! Don't rewrite history!

Floyd beat the guys that beat them,,,,, the rest of your post is utter BS.

[Oregonian]

When should he have fought Mosley ? It is not my problem, Floyd should've ATLEAST fought Lara/GGG/Williams/Marg to get even with Usyk instead of fighting Mosley, the Mosley fight was a fight for the records but he had no legs at 37 years old. Not athletic enough (anymore) to compete with Mayweather who has always been a better boxer. Also rememeber the IV's for the weigh in's the 'small' myth is just a myth. May was a regular sized WW.

Williams had to move up because he could get no fights at 147. Williams was the feared man at the time during his 147 campaign due to his size. And Floyd did not fight him although the fight was there to be made, Floyd couldve proved a point like Usyk did against Joshua. Regarding to Margarito, May fought Baldomir instead of the boogeyman Margarito. You have to take this into account when dissecting legacy. Usyk only ever took on the best and won. This is not what May has done! Don't rewrite history!

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I don’t get how you keep ignoring historical facts. Once again, let’s correct you:

You stated that Mosley was shot. Clearly it’s a problem you have that Floyd fought a “shot” Mosley. How is that Floyd’s problem? Three years prior to that, Mosley turned down a fight with Floyd. Should I send you sources to prove this or what?

Williams moved up after getting beat by Quintana. But to your point, Williams’ size was going to be a problem so I can see how that fight didn’t happen.

May moved up to 147 in 2006. He wasn’t the PPV star he later became. For him to get the kind of money he wanted, he needed leverage (fighting for belts) so Zab and Baldomir were the starting options for a guy that was moving up in weight. Floyd’s goal at the time was Oscar.

Margarito and Cotto were promoted by Bob Arum and Arum was on record that he wasn’t going to allow those fights so how is that Floyd’s fault?

Usyk hadn’t accomplished anything at HW. Beating AJ does not even set him on anything except give him leverage to ask for more money. You have a better chance of convincing people that Fury has a better legacy than Floyd.

[ShoulderRoll]

Styles makes fights, what about dominating Maidana ? That was a very close fight. Wasn't Maidana a clubfighter that lost to Amir Khan ?

The Amir Khan fight was pre-Robert Garcia.

Robert did a great job training Maidana and making him more dangerous.

[Haka]

No one ever dominated Juan Manuel Marquez like he did.

That's a testament to his level of skill.

Styles makes fights, what about dominating Maidana ? That was a very close fight. Wasn't Maidana a clubfighter that lost to Amir Khan ?

[Haka]

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Your history of boxing does not align with facts. So, let’s dissect what you just wrote:
Mosley was coming off the biggest win of his career when he KO’d Margarito who was viewed as the “most avoided fighter” then.
May-Mosley happened immediately and it was a one-sided beating except for two punches in Round 2 that Mosley landed. That’s all casuals remember.

But to address your point about Mosley being a shadow of his old self. When should Floyd have fought Mosley? Keep in mind, Floyd did not move up to 140 until 2005. Also, Floyd offered Mosley a fight in 2006 after Mosley had beaten Vargas. Mosley turned it down saying he had to fix his teeth. You can Google this fact.

Margarito did not destroy Cotto. He cheated, got caught and should have been banned for life. Also, Bob Arum and Floyd weren’t going to work together. That problem is also why Crawford-Spence hasn’t happened the last 5 years.

Williams-Floyd was floated around but Williams lost to Carlos Quintana and then the accident happened. As for Lara and GGG, you seem to ignore the fact that Floyd started his career at 130Ibs while GGG was a natural 160Ibs fighter. Lara was also a natural 154Ibs fighter.

Why couldn’t those two guys go up to 168 or 175 to fight Calzaghe or Andre Ward? Were they ducking? Or were they afraid to challenge themselves?

You know, even if you are correct about Floyd, how do you say Usyk is above Floyd? Usyk did unify the cruiserweight but let’s be real, that’s a weak division and beating AJ at HW is good but not a legacy defining fight. If he beats Fury, then a case can be made for him but he will not beat Fury.

All that said, Usyk’s body of work does not remotely come close to Floyd’s. Usyk would have to beat Fury then defend the belts at least 5 times before he can even be compared to even Wladimir.

When should he have fought Mosley ? It is not my problem, Floyd should've ATLEAST fought Lara/GGG/Williams/Marg to get even with Usyk instead of fighting Mosley, the Mosley fight was a fight for the records but he had no legs at 37 years old. Not athletic enough (anymore) to compete with Mayweather who has always been a better boxer. Also rememeber the IV's for the weigh in's the 'small' myth is just a myth. May was a regular sized WW.

Williams had to move up because he could get no fights at 147. Williams was the feared man at the time during his 147 campaign due to his size. And Floyd did not fight him although the fight was there to be made, Floyd couldve proved a point like Usyk did against Joshua. Regarding to Margarito, May fought Baldomir instead of the boogeyman Margarito. You have to take this into account when dissecting legacy. Usyk only ever took on the best and won. This is not what May has done! Don't rewrite history!