Does fat make you better at heavyweight

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  • KingGilgamesh
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    #11
    I'm not sure. I just think modern heavyweights are poorly conditioned.

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    • lizard_man
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      All our energy comes from glycogen stores in our muscles. Once our glycogen is depleted, our body transitions over to our fat stores to use as energy. That's why you'll see anthony joshua and wilder get so tired and running on fumes towards the end of their fights because all their glycogen will be depleted. Meanwhile you'll have fury and ruiz catching a second wind because their body has tons of fat to start burning and using as energy.

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      • Smash
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        #13
        fat in combination with good diet (boar meat especially) along with the crazy gene

        the human race is always improving & heavyweight boxing just mirrors this, fury is now the apex creature and someone to aspire to be and look like

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        • hhh1200
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          #14
          i think the question is a natural build like Fury/Ali vs a gym build like AJ and Gerald Washington. Norton had the gym build but that's before my time, so I don't how he compared to Fraizer more natural.

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          • 4truth
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            #15
            Depends on your style of course but there is often a certain amount of Sumo going on in HW boxing. If you are giving up 30 pounds and being pushed effortlessly about the ring, that's difficult to overcome. Also, as previously mentioned, there's a little more mass working behind your punches and of course increased punch resistance.

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            • Babadoux
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              #16
              Some fat on heavyweights is fine. It will vary per individual though.

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              • GelfSara
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                #17
                Originally posted by lizard_man
                All our energy comes from glycogen stores in our muscles. Once our glycogen is depleted, our body transitions over to our fat stores to use as energy. That's why you'll see anthony joshua and wilder get so tired and running on fumes towards the end of their fights because all their glycogen will be depleted. Meanwhile you'll have fury and ruiz catching a second wind because their body has tons of fat to start burning and using as energy.
                Boxing events don't last long enough to deplete glycogen; typically it takes at least 90 minutes of sustained exercise for glycogen-depletion or fat-burning to become a factor.
                One can easily become exhausted while still carrying plenty of liver and muscle glycogen by fighting at too fast a pace--as tends to happen when a boxer with relatively poor endurance faces a boxer with much better endurance.

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                • Damn Wicked
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Smash
                  fat in combination with good diet (boar meat especially) along with the crazy gene

                  the human race is always improving & heavyweight boxing just mirrors this, fury is now the apex creature and someone to aspire to be and look like
                  Too many people ignore “the crazy factor”. Fury has that, and it can help a fighter withstand serious pain, concussive blows and long, gruelling tests of endurance. A crazy man is the most frightening opponent.

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                  • Damn Wicked
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by GelfSara

                    Boxing events don't last long enough to deplete glycogen; typically it takes at least 90 minutes of sustained exercise for glycogen-depletion or fat-burning to become a factor.
                    One can easily become exhausted while still carrying plenty of liver and muscle glycogen by fighting at too fast a pace--as tends to happen when a boxer with relatively poor endurance faces a boxer with much better endurance.
                    Exactly.

                    It takes a long time to even start the fat burning process. Nobody is going to be burning fat during a 12 round fight, no matter how intense they’re fighting.
                    Last edited by Damn Wicked; 09-06-2022, 12:58 AM.

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                    • Cypocryphy
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by GelfSara

                      All voluntary movement is mediated through skeletal muscle while bodyfat is "just along for the ride".
                      The greater metabolic demand of muscle--the fact that an athlete who gains 10lbs of muscle will increase his caloric expenditure more than he would if he added 10lbs of fat--is due to the fact that muscle powers movement as opposed to being an inert storage depot of surplus dietary energy.
                      I am not sure if the statement "less muscle and more fat will allow you to hit harder without getting gassed as easily" was intended as a joke, but obviously this is untrue; the "hitting" is powered by muscle, this statement is tantamount to claiming that "If I reduce the power of my car's engine (read: less muscle) and fill the trunk of my car with bricks (read: more bodyfat) I will drive up a hill faster and will minimize strain on the engine and save gas."
                      That's not what I mean. I'm aware that muscles require oxygen-carrying red blood cells while fat does not. If you look at both of my statements, I said that you don't want to be fat, just as you don't want to be a bodybuilder. You don't want to get in the ring with eight percent body fat because it's actually better if you get in the ring with 16 percent body fat or something along those lines. I'm just making general statements. There is no instance where someone has no muscle and all fat, which seems to be what you are implying that I said. Obviously you need muscles to do anything. What you don't need is a lot of muscle because being muscle bound isn't exactly going to make you punch harder and will leave you exhausted much sooner than someone who wasn't muscle bound. I'm referring to physics and its laws. To hit hard, it's more about weight transference than how much you can bench or curl. And to give this context, we saw a muscular Joshua get KO'd by a fat Ruiz. So clearly, the fat guy showed what's more efficient in the ring. When they fought again, Joshua was able to use his size and reach to win. Not his muscles.

                      Here are some issues with low body fat:
                      • You Become Prone to Serious Heart Problems. ...
                      • Your Energy Levels Plummet. ...
                      • You're Suddenly Always Cold. ...
                      • Your Workouts Suck. ...
                      • Your Muscles Don't Recover from Exercise. ...
                      • You're Constantly Hungry. ...
                      • Your Testosterone Levels Drop. ...
                      • Your Muscles Become Weaker.

                      And if you're too fat, then there are similar issues, such as not having enough muscle to handle the bodyweight, fatigue, sluggishness, etc.

                      I believe you are missing the principle here.
                      Last edited by Cypocryphy; 09-04-2022, 03:07 PM.

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