Comments Thread For: WBA, Mendoza Named As Defendants In Charr's Amended Lawsuit Against Don King

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That doesn't make any sense because when the step aside deal was worked out with Stiverne and Wilder vs. Ortiz was announced, Stiverne was rated #1, Ortiz was rated #2 and Whyte was rated #4. Whyte only became #1 because Ortiz failed the drug test. So your entire premise literally makes no sense whatsoever.

So Whyte was the number 1 when it came to making the fight with Breazeal? That's exactly what i said.

Whyte was going after Wilder, and Haymon and Wilder didn't like it. They wanted to keep him and every other top fighter at the weight away from him.

Where was Breazeal and Molina rated in the WBC?????

And how did Stiverne get to be number 1 with the WBC after losing lopsidedly to Wilder and looking like shlt in his next fight? And this happened with him being out of the ring for 2 years. I wonder how all this happened?

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Whyte was going after Wilder, and Haymon and Wilder didn't like it. They wanted to keep him and every other top fighter at the weight away from him.

That doesn't make any sense because this all went down when Whyte was WBC #4 and years away from a hypothetical title shot. He was behind both Stiverne and Ortiz in the ratings.

Where was Breazeal and Molina rated in the WBC?????

#1 Stiverne was allowed to put his mandatory position on the line against #6 Breazeale. When Ortiz failed a drug test, Stiverne was moved to the main event to save the show. It wouldn't have been fair to Breazeale to take away the final eliminator he had been training for, so he was allowed to face the highest rated available contender for the next mandatory position. #12 Molina was the highest rated available contender because nobody ahead of him in the ratings was willing to take the fight on short notice.

how did Stiverne get to be number 1 with the WBC after losing lopsidedly to Wilder and looking like shlt in his next fight?

Stiverne lost his world title by decision and fell to #5 in the ratings. Fury and Glazkov were ahead of him in the ratings, but ended up getting mandatory title shots for other organizations. Perez was ahead of him in the ratings, but fought Povetkin for the silver title and lost. So before long, Stiverne was at #2. When Wilder got injured, #1 Povetkin vs #2 Stiverne was ordered for the interim championship. When Povetkin failed another drug test, Stiverne became #1.

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That doesn't make any sense because this all went down when Whyte was WBC #4 and years away from a hypothetical title shot. He was behind both Stiverne and Ortiz in the ratings.




#1 Stiverne was allowed to put his mandatory position on the line against #6 Breazeale. When Ortiz failed a drug test, Stiverne was moved to the main event to save the show. It wouldn't have been fair to Breazeale to take away the final eliminator he had been training for, so he was allowed to face the highest rated available contender for the next mandatory position. #12 Molina was the highest rated available contender because nobody ahead of him in the ratings was willing to take the fight on short notice.




Stiverne lost his world title by decision and fell to #5 in the ratings. Fury and Glazkov were ahead of him in the ratings, but ended up getting mandatory title shots for other organizations. Perez was ahead of him in the ratings, but fought Povetkin for the silver title and lost. So before long, Stiverne was at #2. When Wilder got injured, #1 Povetkin vs #2 Stiverne was ordered for the interim championship. When Povetkin failed another drug test, Stiverne became #1.

Wilder wasn't fighting mandatories so he could fight the number 4 with the WBC in one of his many voluntaries. Why does that not make sense? Whyte and Hearn made very clear they wanted the fight. Did you not see the offers? Did you not see Wilder ask for a ridiculous 7 Mill only to eventually get that price but still run?

You don't make a mandatory fight the way they did with Breazeal and Molina. It lacks credibility. Athletes can have setbacks with dates and opponents not being what they should, but you get on with it and accept it happens. We both know why the Molina fight happened. Even if Whyte was ready he still would have been denied by their corruption.

A shot fighter who had been out of the ring for 2 years should move up to the number 1 spot? In no rational world should they. But as i say, we both know why he was put there. Had it been a dangerous fighter, they would have been removed from the top 15 after the loss and being out for so long. The reason to why he was still there was to make sure Wilder didn't have to fight others and lose. Don't insult my intelligence. You know that too.

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Wilder wasn't fighting mandatories so he could fight the number 4 with the WBC in one of his many voluntaries. Why does that not make sense? Whyte and Hearn made very clear they wanted the fight. Did you not see the offers? Did you not see Wilder ask for a ridiculous 7 Mill only to eventually get that price but still run?

In 2017, when these fights occurred, Hearn was only offering Wilder $3 million. You don't have your facts straight. Wilder fought several mandatories during his title reign.

You don't make a mandatory fight the way they did with Breazeal and Molina. It lacks credibility. Athletes can have setbacks with dates and opponents not being what they should, but you get on with it and accept it happens. We both know why the Molina fight happened. Even if Whyte was ready he still would have been denied by their corruption.

Breazeale was legally entitled to a final eliminator. He had already signed a contract for a final eliminator. It wasn't his fault Ortiz failed a drug test. Breazeale had the legal right to face the highest rated available contender. Whyte turned the fight down, Molina didn't. If Whyte had accepted, the fight would have happened.

A shot fighter who had been out of the ring for 2 years should move up to the number 1 spot?

The only reason he hadn't fought in two years was because of Povetkin's drug test failures. He kept having fights canceled through no fault of his own.

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In 2017, when these fights occurred, Hearn was only offering Wilder $3 million. You don't have your facts straight. Wilder fought several mandatories during his title reign.




Breazeale was legally entitled to a final eliminator. He had already signed a contract for a final eliminator. It wasn't his fault Ortiz failed a drug test. Breazeale had the legal right to face the highest rated available contender. Whyte turned the fight down, Molina didn't. If Whyte had accepted, the fight would have happened.




The only reason he hadn't fought in two years was because of Povetkin's drug test failures. He kept having fights canceled through no fault of his own.

Wilder was only offered 3 Mill the first offer? Haha. His biggest payday was 2.1 Mill. Yeah, he should have taken it but he ducked like a coward. Only his delusions had him believe he was worth 7 Mill. But as i said, he was EVENTUALLY offered it. But he still ran. Wilder wouldn't touch Whyte or any other in form world class fighter with a barge pole.

Whyte was offered 2 weeks before the fight. Of course he didn't take it. But that was the plan. The fight should have been given a date so both could prepare properly. Molina shouldn't have been anywhere near to fighting for mandatory.

What fights were cancelled for Stiverne?

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Wilder was only offered 3 Mill the first offer? Haha. His biggest payday was 2.1 Mill. Yeah, he should have taken it but he ducked like a coward. Only his delusions had him believe he was worth 7 Mill. But as i said, he was EVENTUALLY offered it. But he still ran. Wilder wouldn't touch Whyte or any other in form world class fighter with a barge pole.

Whyte was offered 2 weeks before the fight. Of course he didn't take it. But that was the plan. The fight should have been given a date so both could prepare properly. Molina shouldn't have been anywhere near to fighting for mandatory.

What fights were cancelled for Stiverne?

You have no idea what Wilder was making at the time.

It's ridiculous to say Ortiz's drug test failure was planned as all it did was help Whyte move up in the ratings.

Povetkin vs Stiverne was canceled the day of the fight.

Your position makes absolutely no sense.

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You have no idea what Wilder was making at the time.

It's ridiculous to say Ortiz's drug test failure was planned as all it did was help Whyte move up in the ratings.

Povetkin vs Stiverne was canceled the day of the fight.

Your position makes absolutely no sense.

What has any of this got to do with the fact that the WBC should not have called for a mandatory fight with only 2 weeks to go? Nothing.

Wilder wasn't making more than he was offered. He couldn't even sell out a small arena. Save your lies about millions being paid under the table. Haymon is making losses on just the cheques we know about. Why would he and Showtime want to lose even more?

Povetkin vs Stiverne was cancelled on the day of the fight? And?

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What has any of this got to do with the fact that the WBC should not have called for a mandatory fight with only 2 weeks to go? Nothing.

Wilder wasn't making more than he was offered. He couldn't even sell out a small arena. Save your lies about millions being paid under the table. Haymon is making losses on just the cheques we know about. Why would he and Showtime want to lose even more?

Povetkin vs Stiverne was cancelled on the day of the fight? And?

I'm sorry that you're allergic to facts.

Breazeale had a signed contract for a final eliminator. When Stiverne needed to sub into the main event, Breazeale was legally entitled to face the highest rated fighter willing to take the fight.

Your position that Haymon had Ortiz fail a drug test on purpose isn't supported by the evidence.

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I'm sorry that you're allergic to facts.

Breazeale had a signed contract for a final eliminator. When Stiverne needed to sub into the main event, Breazeale was legally entitled to face the highest rated fighter willing to take the fight.

Your position that Haymon had Ortiz fail a drug test on purpose isn't supported by the evidence.

I never said Haymon had Ortiz fail a test on purpose. I said i wouldn't be surprised if Haymon had involvement by the fact Povetkin failed at just the right moment too when Wilder wanted nothing to do with the fight or to be anywhere near Russia.

Breazeal can have his final eliminator. But it should have been with Whyte at a date where both are properly trained. What are you not getting about this?

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Did all of what Charr claims actually happen?

Absolutely.

Will his team be able to prove it?

Unlikely.