Comments Thread For: Hearn: Beterbiev is Easier Fight Than Bivol For Canelo, Bivol Beats Beterbiev

[billeau2]

He's definitely a beast - but I agree with you, the fawning over beating Joe Smith is pretty crazy. A lot of people like Joe maybe, I get the reaction happened to me too.

Half of this site thought Vlasov was robbed against Smith in order to consummate the Beterbiev fight in the first place..and already lost to Bivol.

Now Beterbiev will be fighting a guy who was KO'ed by a jab by a "drunk" who Canelo already beat in a division he doesn't belong.

You really think all the "press" for Artur is because of Smith? Do you realize, among other things, Bieterbiev... who BTW is Russian, not from the European amatuer system... Knocked down Usyk multiple times? And that he has consistently Ko'ed fighters 100% of the time? I doubt Smith is what the hubub is about. Not saying that Arum's ****** comments arent ridiculous, but if you watch Bieterbiev his movement is methodical and effective for a puncher... small steps quick angular adjustments.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Beterbiev does not have the movement, or speed that will frighten Alvarez.

But? He has the physical strength and power to cause Alvarez issues.

I don't think Alvarez has ever been inside the ring with a opponent levels above him in brute strength.

And that is not because Alvarez has all time great strength, it is because the fighters he has been facing are below par 'Compared to past middle weights'.

Carl Froch for example, would be the strongest opponent Alvarez has ever faced. Golovkin is strong, but not on the level of Carl Froch.

Stylistically Beterbiev is probably a easier fight to prepare for than Bivol. But the consequences of fighting Beterbiev are more dangerous.

Alvarez's power, may be ineffective against Beterbiev. And Beterbiev's power may be too much for Alvarez to handle.

Beterbiev has greater endurance than Alvarez, and I think he will be the type of fighter to just seek and destroy vs Alvarez etc.

[Ultralight]

Canelo was feeling Bivol's power. Beterbiev would knock him out.

[eco1]

I seen the one who got knocked down Hard by journeymen not once but twice. Which one did you see?

Typical euro hype job.

The one who has 18-0 and Ko's all kind of fighters using different strategies, punches and foot work.
Also, the one who had a great Amateur career.

I cringe at some of you sometimes.

[eco1]

Yeah it’d be easier for canelo because it would be a shorter nights work vs beterbiev. Bivol would beat him over 12 rounds again. Beterbiev would wash canelo in 6.

In 2...........

[billeau2]

Beterbiev does not have the movement, or speed that will frighten Alvarez.

But? He has the physical strength and power to cause Alvarez issues.

I don't think Alvarez has ever been inside the ring with a opponent levels above him in brute strength.

And that is not because Alvarez has all time great strength, it is because the fighters he has been facing are below par 'Compared to past middle weights'.

Carl Froch for example, would be the strongest opponent Alvarez has ever faced. Golovkin is strong, but not on the level of Carl Froch.

Stylistically Beterbiev is probably a easier fight to prepare for than Bivol. But the consequences of fighting Beterbiev are more dangerous.

Alvarez's power, may be ineffective against Beterbiev. And Beterbiev's power may be too much for Alvarez to handle.

Beterbiev has greater endurance than Alvarez, and I think he will be the type of fighter to just seek and destroy vs Alvarez etc.

Thats like saying: "a flourless chocolate cake will be desirable to those who like chocolate cake because it is chocolate." Beiterbiev does not move or try to be fast to do anything other than punchers have done since James Figg took the swords away.... Its the chocolate! Vis a vis its the punch! And as to the question of whether Bieterbiev has the skills to make the punch happen, well Canelo Could have (before Bivol) used his Katty Taylor like appeal to the judges to just avoid Arture all fight I suppose.

Im seeing this trend in this thread where people are questioning bieterbiev... Well... It doesn't matter because Bieterbiev trains to and does a great job of delivering his punch... Nuff said about his speed and footwork etc.

[THC]

Of course as a promoter Hearn's going to shine light on Bivol because Beterviev is with Top Rank. But if he believes that Artur is just a come-forward brawler, then he's more dense than he is a snake. I'm surprised some boxing fans still think Beterviev is just a slugger neanderthal. Canelo was made to look ordinary against Bivol, but he risks a career-altering beatdown against Beterviev.

[LA_2_Vegas]

You really think all the "press" for Artur is because of Smith? Do you realize, among other things, Bieterbiev... who BTW is Russian, not from the European amatuer system... Knocked down Usyk multiple times? And that he has consistently Ko'ed fighters 100% of the time? I doubt Smith is what the hubub is about. Not saying that Arum's ****** comments arent ridiculous, but if you watch Bieterbiev his movement is methodical and effective for a puncher... small steps quick angular adjustments.

I'm not down on his abilities, he is a beast.

I think the top fighters at LHW have benefited from extra press because Canelo has brought more attention to the division. They were already good fighters and recognized as such, but it's always good when another money fighter is around.



I am having to take this tact because I can remember what a lot of people said about Joe being a weak link and about the Vlasov fight (who subsequently lost and retired).

Smith was seen as such a weak link that it was popular to say Canelo would definitely fight him if he beat Beterbiev. So, even if Joe had taken out this beast Beterbiev, he would still have been looked at as a cherry pick for Canelo. Likely by the same people who would say Bivol was going to be easy work for Canelo because of a dive or rigged cards or whatever.

A lot of good points have been made by this crowd about the smoke and mirrors of some Canelo fights, but it's hard for me to square that with the Bivol fight - it should be looked at in a higher regard imo. We will see how this plays out. But for now, Beterbiev last two opponents would have been guys who already lost to Canelo opponents at LHW.




so look Billeau, anything less than a KO by a jab by Beterbiev against Yarde and I'm holding it against him.

[billeau2]

I'm not down on his abilities, he is a beast.

I think the top fighters at LHW have benefited from extra press because Canelo has brought more attention to the division. They were already good fighters and recognized as such, but it's always good when another money fighter is around.



I am having to take this tact because I can remember what a lot of people said about Joe being a weak link and about the Vlasov fight (who subsequently lost and retired).

Smith was seen as such a weak link that it was popular to say Canelo would definitely fight him if he beat Beterbiev. So, even if Joe had taken out this beast Beterbiev, he would still have been looked at as a cherry pick for Canelo. Likely by the same people who would say Bivol was going to be easy work for Canelo because of a dive or rigged cards or whatever.

A lot of good points have been made by this crowd about the smoke and mirrors of some Canelo fights, but it's hard for me to square that with the Bivol fight - it should be looked at in a higher regard imo. We will see how this plays out. But for now, Beterbiev last two opponents would have been guys who already lost to Canelo opponents at LHW.




so look Billeau, anything less than a KO by a jab by Beterbiev against Yarde and I'm holding it against him.

I hear you. I don't understand the Yarde fight myself. That is boxing unfortunately. I think fighters like Smith and Yarde are decent fighters in one of the dark horse divisions, but it is obvious Beterbiev is a class above and his next fight should be Bivol.

I also think traditionally when a cruiser/light heavy gets as much of a punch as Arture, he might want to start picking off lighter heavyweights if he can unify his own division.

[billeau2]

I seen the one who got knocked down Hard by journeymen not once but twice. Which one did you see?

Typical euro hype job.

Ok so I did your homework for you and found the two knockdowns you're referring to. Page in the year 2014 and Johnson in the year 2018. The page knocked down was nothing, it was a flash knockdown. The Johnson knockdown was a good shot. It was legit and it did cause beiterbiev some issues.

I think guys on these divisions starting from welter do hit hard and there are a lot of good punchers. A fighter like Andre Ward who is defensively excellent I believe even he was knocked down once or twice?

So if we want to talk about a weakness for a r t u r e it's entirely possible that a very strong puncher could catch him early. But I think that's about as easy as Hercules having to clean the stables of King AESops.