Can anyone stop the eastern euro takeover of boxing?

[Cypocryphy]

Eastern Europe has a lot of talent but I highly doubt a takeover.

Usyk vs Fury is a 50/50 fight...and I still think Joshua has a decent chance.

Beterbiev and Bivol are great fighters but I doubt they will go unbeaten. Beterbiev is literally just this new eras Kovalev despite already being old.

Loma has 2 losses and might even rack up two more losses against Shakur and Haney.

MJ just looked very average took against of professional flop in Ronny Rios.

Eastern Europe is definitely a gold mine in boxing regardless.........they are another great addition to the Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans (not this generation), Mexican Americans, and Black Americans that have been keeping boxing alive for over half a century.

Ridiculous comment but not for the reason you'd think. Saying they will not go unbeaten is something you could say about every single boxer on the planet. Floyd should have had a loss on his record, probably two losses, but he just got lucky (or maybe they were corrupt because of his money making ability, that he got the Canelo treatment). It's obvious Ward retired unbeaten because he had a feeling he'd lose his next fight. He said, for the most part, that he just wants to go out on top and doesn't want to do what RJJ did and stay too long and never up losing fights.

So this whole unbeaten **** is a joke, especially when we all know that wrong decisions are read all the time. I don't know of too many sports where it's blatantly obvious that the wrong guy won.

That being said, Eastern Europeans are a great addition to the sport of boxing. It's impossible to say that they are taking over because there are so many fantastic boxers from everywhere. Lately you could argue that better quality of fighters have been coming from the region lately. And I will say that many talented, highly skilled boxers come from that region, and I think that stylistically they offer a tremendous amount of value with regard to entertainment. I'm a huge fan of that style and personally like to fight that way. The footwork, pendulum stepping, all of it. I trained with a guy for Russia for a little bit. I like it a lot.

[JohnnyRebel]

Eurobums aren't taking over boxing.

[El Más Loco]

Ridiculous comment but not for the reason you'd think. Saying they will not go unbeaten is something you could say about every single boxer on the planet. Floyd should have had a loss on his record, probably two losses, but he just got lucky (or maybe they were corrupt because of his money making ability, that he got the Canelo treatment). It's obvious Ward retired unbeaten because he had a feeling he'd lose his next fight. He said, for the most part, that he just wants to go out on top and doesn't want to do what RJJ did and stay too long and never up losing fights.

So this whole unbeaten **** is a joke, especially when we all know that wrong decisions are read all the time. I don't know of too many sports where it's blatantly obvious that the wrong guy won.

That being said, Eastern Europeans are a great addition to the sport of boxing. It's impossible to say that they are taking over because there are so many fantastic boxers from everywhere. Lately you could argue that better quality of fighters have been coming from the region lately. And I will say that many talented, highly skilled boxers come from that region, and I think that stylistically they offer a tremendous amount of value with regard to entertainment. I'm a huge fan of that style and personally like to fight that way. The footwork, pendulum stepping, all of it. I trained with a guy for Russia for a little bit. I like it a lot.

You have a point with saying the "unbeaten thing is a joke" because I 100% agree. But, the context of this thread can anyone stop the Eastern Euros taking from over boxing.

Kovalev is his prime was a power puncher (freakish right hand that was set up with an excellent jab) that thrived from mid range.....Beterbiev is not too much different but is older than Kovalev was when he was the top guy. Bilov is a fundamentally sound boxer with a high ring IQ and avoe average foot work......this is why I would favor Bilov (as of right now) to beat Beterbiev.

They have both looked vulnerable if previous fights, albeit with lesser competition....so I give them the benefit of the doubt and chalk that up to them not going all out in those fights.

But to deem them unstoppable is still a stretch. Roy Jones Jr is the only fighter I have ever seen that I literally thought no one could ever beat him, and even he got beat.

[nubianpiye]

They have less champs than America, the UK, Asia and th top fighters, Golovkin (Really Asia) and Loma have lost two recently interesting that Anthony Joshua gets written off for losing two but you hype Loma as one of the best still?The eastern Europeans aren't typically that good to be honest it's just your poor geography skills Bicol is from Asia, Golovkin is Asian also and from Asia most Eastern European fighters are used as punch bags for up and coming British and American fighters.

American whites have a hard on for Eastern European fighters simply because they perceive easdstern European men as Alphas because typically modern American men are Betas

[KillaMane26]

No he hasn't. He was robbed on the scorecards twice. Begin stopped is when you you are beaten badly or suffered a TKO/KO. He should have won that second fight down in Texas against Salido. It was a mixed decision too. But you know how they do it in Texas.

And I'm with Andre Ward, Robert Garcia, Terrence Crawford and Teddy Atlas, among others, who think that Lopez didn't win that fight and actually got a beating. That was Top Rank getting the judges to make Lopez a star off the back of Loma. You know how Top Ranks does its older fighters dirty. That's their MO over there.

Loma is a top 3 favorite fighter but he lost to Lopez, him being so weary of Lopez power is and Lopez winning most rounds is why he lost

[Cypocryphy]

Loma is a top 3 favorite fighter but he lost to Lopez, him being so weary of Lopez power is and Lopez winning most rounds is why he lost

Oh yeah. I believe he was definitely weary of Teofimo's power. Absolutely. I always go with my first impressions on things. My gut feeling. My instinct. Because 99 times out of 100, I'm right when I go by that. And I saw Loma in the first round extremely cautious. He finished the second round strong. Both landed three punches in the second round, but Loma's punches were harder, cleaner and pushed Lopez's head back. That's why Ward and a lot fo people gave him the second round. You could see him getting Lopez's timing down. Then he just went silent. (Later Loma said it was when he threw those punches that he felt something pop in his arm, and he wasn't sure what happened to it. He thought that it was about to go, so he wanted to give it time to see how it would perform (Sky News)).

The Loma went kind of "dark" the next several rounds. And like you said, you could see he was weary of getting hit. Then around the end of the sixth round, he went for it. And you could SEE on his face that he surprised himself. It was as if he said: "Holy ****!! His power isn't as strong as I thought! Oh my God! I can get in the pocket and take it to him!! I can do this!!" You know what I mean? It was as if he had a mental battle with himself, assessing "risk vs reward," and he overvalued Lopez's power. (The way I think about it, and I don't know if you an relate to this, but I've gone hiking/camping where I have to bathe in a freezing lake. You put your toe in, and you think to yourself "**** that!" But you know you'll feel better if you wash, so you have a mental battle with yourself. You then say "**** it" and jump in, then you realize it's not as bad as you thought. In fact, you don't want to get out because of the wind. So that's how I kind of give an example of having a mental battle with yourself.) Loma did have a mental battle going on that delayed his being aggressive. Bottom line, it was a mixture of several things; Lopez's power, Loma's injury, Loma having ring rust (he had been out of the ring a year and a half), Lopez's speed, and Lopez's game plan. But seeing Loma turn it on at the end of the second round, then going dark for the next several rounds told me there was a problem, and that he primary problem was his arm.

As far as scoring the fight, if you scored it for Lopez, I can't argue against that because when fights are close, then that's just how the cookie crumbles. People scream "robbery" all the time when a fight is extremely close, and I've never understood that. However, when I went back to see what actually happened in that fight, I can tell you that Loma made Lopez miss a lot and that he outlanded Lopez by a landslide in that fight.

Anyway, it is what it is, but I see people use these loses as a means of saying that Loma is not all that. He went for a world title fight against Salido, who was way overweight and hit Loma in the nuts at least 72 times over 12 rounds. And Loma got one judge to give him the nod while in Texas!! In his second pro fight. Then I don't think Lopez beat Loma, and there are a lot of people who agree.

[Amir Imam]

They’re going to need centuries to catch up. Keep dreaming boy.

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[Cypocryphy]

You have a point with saying the "unbeaten thing is a joke" because I 100% agree. But, the context of this thread can anyone stop the Eastern Euros taking from over boxing.

Kovalev is his prime was a power puncher (freakish right hand that was set up with an excellent jab) that thrived from mid range.....Beterbiev is not too much different but is older than Kovalev was when he was the top guy. Bilov is a fundamentally sound boxer with a high ring IQ and avoe average foot work......this is why I would favor Bilov (as of right now) to beat Beterbiev.

They have both looked vulnerable if previous fights, albeit with lesser competition....so I give them the benefit of the doubt and chalk that up to them not going all out in those fights.

But to deem them unstoppable is still a stretch. Roy Jones Jr is the only fighter I have ever seen that I literally thought no one could ever beat him, and even he got beat.

Exactly. That's because there's always someone out there that can beat you. No body is unbeatable. Losses can be a massive stepping stone to use to improve. People implode when they get a loss, and part of it is due to the fanbase and the marketing of these promotional companies. Your dollar value goes down after a loss and takes forever to get your market value up again.

[Cypocryphy]

They’re going to need centuries to catch up. Keep dreaming boy.

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I think the argument is presently, within the last decade, not the last 100 or 150 years.

[arumhaymonhearn]

Loma already been stopped lol

Loma fans pretend like both of his losses happened in the Twilight Zone .. they never happened in real life