Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia: Joshua Has To Be Smart Against Usyk, Can't Go In There Thinking KO

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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    #11
    It is not only on fight night where Joshua needs to get his tactics right, if Joshua comes in at 240 pounds and under? He will lose this fight again.

    All of his attributes decrease when he gets around those weights. I think the empirical evidence all shows this, it is time for him to embrace is strength, power and endurance more.

    Around 242-244 pounds, Joshua durability, strength, punching power and endurance are all at their best. Ever since he has obsessed about being light, his endurance and durability has gone out the window.

    His endurance was never super great to begin with, but it was for me satisfactory.

    Then tactically on fight night, Joshua needs to be more violent 'But measured violence'.

    Usyk is no pressure fighter, it is not as if he is going to be going 1 million miles per hour in this fight himself.

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    • Earl-Hickey
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      #12
      As far as Garcias statement I agree.

      The game plan shouldn't be to go looking for a KO, the game plan should be to dictate the pace of the fight using Joshuas size advantage.

      He didn't do this in the first fight, instead coming out immediately in round 1 and engaging in a fencing match with usyk which was utter ******ity, and he didn't deviate from that plan at all.

      I've said before he needs to stay out of that distance where Usyk can box him comfortably, there's two distances that suit AJ and that's long range and right on top of Usyk, if he's at Any distance other than that he needs to cover up behind tight defence and look to move either forward or back. Do not box him at mid range.

      This will frustrate Usyk as he will either have to try box long range with the taller opponent or wrestle him off at point blank range.

      If Joshua does this he also won't have to think as much as he won't be having a constant high pace chess match for 12 rounds. This will be a boring approach to take but it's the approach that makes Joshuas size the key factor in the fight not Usyk's technical skill.

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      • AmpMcv
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        #13
        Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
        The absolutism around this fight is kind of ridiculous.

        Mind you the same thing happened after Ruiz 1 (and before anyone @s me, yes I know Ruiz came in 300lbs and I know Usyk won't, the point still stands)

        After ruiz 1 it was a case of "AJ is tailor made for Ruiz" and when Ruiz weighed in, all that extra weight was just going to make him stronger and he would ko AJ easier etc.

        Point is AJ CAN beat Usyk, he's big enough, long enough and hits hard enough that it can happen, can't it, Usyk also isn't a perfect fighter, exceptional yes but he's already shown some susceptibility in the first fight, AJ had pockets of success, he cut him up, he hut Usyk with some body shots he didn't like. There are *****s to work away at.


        so some people need to stop being silly like they were about the Ruiz rematch, the fight is "somewhat" competitive.

        Usyk I put at around a 60% chance of winning, with AJ at 30% and the draw 10%

        It wouldn't be all that shocking if it happens, and you know, the closer the fight gets the more I get the feeling that it may actually happen, the climate seems ripe for it, doesn't it?
        Here here, now! Didn't you read all the comments? jk, I believe Usyk will win. I hope Usyk wins. It's boxing, anything can happen.

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        • AmpMcv
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          #14
          Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
          As far as Garcias statement I agree.

          The game plan shouldn't be to go looking for a KO, the game plan should be to dictate the pace of the fight using Joshuas size advantage.

          He didn't do this in the first fight, instead coming out immediately in round 1 and engaging in a fencing match with usyk which was utter ******ity, and he didn't deviate from that plan at all.

          I've said before he needs to stay out of that distance where Usyk can box him comfortably, there's two distances that suit AJ and that's long range and right on top of Usyk, if he's at Any distance other than that he needs to cover up behind tight defence and look to move either forward or back. Do not box him at mid range.

          This will frustrate Usyk as he will either have to try box long range with the taller opponent or wrestle him off at point blank range.

          If Joshua does this he also won't have to think as much as he won't be having a constant high pace chess match for 12 rounds. This will be a boring approach to take but it's the approach that makes Joshuas size the key factor in the fight not Usyk's technical skill.
          I thought he should have gotten Joey Gamache and trained for the Teo V Loma approach. In and out until Usyk gets aggressive and then counter all night. Garcia's fighters and more of a come forward "out tough" you kind of guys and they usually fight dirty.

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          • elfag
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            #15
            lol

            ok so he cant outbox Usyk but he also isnt supposed to go for the KO and use his size and power advantage


            Um yeah he has to let his ***ing hands go and not be afraid of a counter from a cruiserweight.

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            • P to the J
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              #16
              Originally posted by Jayallday9
              I like AJ and all but he simply can't beat Usyk..All that bulk and muscle makes him slow and robotic and he'll tire easily.
              He’s not actually that bulky anymore. He’s the right weight for an athlete of his height, and he’s not even that slow (anymore).

              His problem is that he’s not a boxer in any sense of the word. Stance is wrong: square and flat-footed. Can’t adjust in-ring to shifting scenarios: doesn’t know when to apply pressure, and when to hang back. Ineffective guard, still not much head movement, etc.

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              • P to the J
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                #17
                Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
                The absolutism around this fight is kind of ridiculous.

                Mind you the same thing happened after Ruiz 1 (and before anyone @s me, yes I know Ruiz came in 300lbs and I know Usyk won't, the point still stands)

                After ruiz 1 it was a case of "AJ is tailor made for Ruiz" and when Ruiz weighed in, all that extra weight was just going to make him stronger and he would ko AJ easier etc.

                Point is AJ CAN beat Usyk, he's big enough, long enough and hits hard enough that it can happen, can't it, Usyk also isn't a perfect fighter, exceptional yes but he's already shown some susceptibility in the first fight, AJ had pockets of success, he cut him up, he hut Usyk with some body shots he didn't like. There are *****s to work away at.


                so some people need to stop being silly like they were about the Ruiz rematch, the fight is "somewhat" competitive.

                Usyk I put at around a 60% chance of winning, with AJ at 30% and the draw 10%

                It wouldn't be all that shocking if it happens, and you know, the closer the fight gets the more I get the feeling that it may actually happen, the climate seems ripe for it, doesn't it?

                People are fickle beings, and can swing from one opinion to the other. But I remain steadfast. I said Usyk would do AJ and the rest of the HW div before he even stepped up to HW, and I say the same now.

                Those who are engaging in ‘absolutism’ (as you rightly put it) are those who mostly didn’t think Usyk was worth a dime, and thought it was some kind of cherrypicking fron Joshua, when in reality, everyone should have made Usyk favourite for the 1st bout.

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                • diarraisagod
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                  #18
                  It's mental people saying AJ has no chance. This is heavyweight boxing.

                  Usyk is definitely the favourite. But, I don't read too much into the first fight because AJ came out with an unexpected strategy that didn't work at all. He shouldn't do that twice.
                  He made the mistake of trying to play chess with a grandmaster. It was ****** to try and outbox Usyk.

                  I don't expect this one to go the distance. AJ if he has any ambition to win, will be more aggressive this time.

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                  • PRINCEKOOL
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by P to the J

                    He’s not actually that bulky anymore. He’s the right weight for an athlete of his height, and he’s not even that slow (anymore).

                    His problem is that he’s not a boxer in any sense of the word. Stance is wrong: square and flat-footed. Can’t adjust in-ring to shifting scenarios: doesn’t know when to apply pressure, and when to hang back. Ineffective guard, still not much head movement, etc.
                    Joshua has never been slow, he has faster punch combination speed than Tyson Fury. Whether he was 240 pounds or even 250 pounds.

                    A bit inflexible yes, but for super heavyweight I would not describe him as slow.

                    People just repeat these things to convince themselves, that he is no threat.

                    The closer this fight gets, the more people will panic.

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                    • War Room
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                      #20
                      He has no tools to beat Usyk. Try and box =---> get outboxed, try and slug =---> get outboxed lol.

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