Comments Thread For: Fury: Robert Garcia And Ten Men Like Him Will Not Make Joshua Beat Usyk

[KidDinamita]

The only advantage at the moment for AJ is that Usyk was at the Ukraine war and last weight and maybe affected him a bit. Other then that I dont see AJ win

[PRINCEKOOL]

A trainer is not going to win this fight for Joshua. I am of the belief, that the version of Joshua who can beat Usyk 'Has already fought inside the ring'.

Joshua needs to bring back that Joshua. This will take a lifestyle, attitude and training adaptation to do so.

It is clear that Joshua self exorcised apart of his being, after he was beaten by Ruiz Junior one. Instead of being himself and embracing his strengths, he moved away from his mid-range offense, maximizing his physical strength. And instead started obsessing over dropping weight, being all technical, trying to be something innately is not. This has done him damage over the long term.

Joshua when he comes in around 240 and under, his strength, durability, endurance and punching power all goes out the window.

I expect Joshua to be a tad heavier for the rematch, between 242-244 pounds.

I think he will win the rematch.

Garcia is main Job there is for the moral, the atmosphere, the motivation. A trainers job is many things, it is not just teaching technical skills.

[landotter]

Cut it out with this make belive fantasy crap, Ukraine athletes been losing left and right lately, Usyk is there to fight for million dollars, stop with this cringe nonsense making it out to be about some political BS

Why is there always one?

I am not making it political any more than talking about the motivation of say Kambosos fighting for his native country was political. It is simply an evaluation of what is happening. Usyk is proud of his home land. Always has been. He brags about his family home and his being raised in his home country as what makes him the fighter he is long before this invasion. It is a simple connection. True elite athletes will use anything to keep them motivated. Usyk will use this He will be ready to fight, I am certain he will win, and I guarantee he will make a public appeal after.

As for Ukraine fighters losing "left and right", the only one I can think is Postol, and he was a huge underdog to Russell anyways. What other fighters have there been?

[REDEEMER]

And you still can’t name one account out of the multiple I use. So fack off.

Multiple accounts rarely get banned on here I’ll just watch you run around here like a chicken with its head cut off scrambling all around it’s what you do best on here I know who you are so does everyone it’s not hard spotting the biggest Fury fanatic on here change it up a little at least .

[Roberto Vasquez]

I get the impression Joshua is getting a lot of his confidence from thinking he can KO Usyk if he doesn't try to outbox him this time. But Usyk is a different beast. Maybe against other HWs that style would get him the KO wins but Usyk is different and considering AJ does not have a good chin it's hard to see this new plan working. There were times in the last fight when AJ tried to bulldoze Usyk and just got caught doing so. I think he is hoping his increased size will make a difference this time.

I'd 80% agree with Fury but at the same time I do think AJ does have a chance. But its small - the fight is 70/30 in Usyk's favor for me

A trainer is not going to win this fight for Joshua. I am of the belief, that the version of Joshua who can beat Usyk 'Has already fought inside the ring'.

Joshua needs to bring back that Joshua. This will take a lifestyle, attitude and training adaptation to do so.

I don't buy that - he wasn't beating opponents of the quality of Usyk with that style. He was beating people like Charles Martin and Dillian Whyte (and he got caught badly in that fight). Usyk has an insane record - just look at his amateur record 335−15 (for comparison Tyson Fury's is 32-4). That's unheard of. It's hard to see him being bulldozed by anyone

[shakedaddy]

I enjoy Fury's boxing breakdowns. He always seems to mix intelligence w/humor, yet is straightforward.

[RoadMan94]

Multiple accounts rarely get banned on here I’ll just watch you run around here like a chicken with its head cut off scrambling all around it’s what you do best on here I know who you are so does everyone it’s not hard spotting the biggest Fury fanatic on here change it up a little at least .

So now you admit I don’t have multiple accounts. Lmao. Oh btw, considering you are so desperate to swallow every nut Joshua drops, you would assume you were already aware of this , but I took the time to even find you a link, because you seem to dumb to find yourself, all you have to do is click!

https://www.boxingscene.com/amp/josh...le-get--164456

[PRINCEKOOL]

I get the impression Joshua is getting a lot of his confidence from thinking he can KO Usyk if he doesn't try to outbox him this time. But Usyk is a different beast. Maybe against other HWs that style would get him the KO wins but Usyk is different and considering AJ does not have a good chin it's hard to see this new plan working. There were times in the last fight when AJ tried to bulldoze Usyk and just got caught doing so. I think he is hoping his increased size will make a difference this time.

I'd 80% agree with Fury but at the same time I do think AJ does have a chance. But its small - the fight is 70/30 in Usyk's favor for me



I don't buy that - he wasn't beating opponents of the quality of Usyk with that style. He was beating people like Charles Martin and Dillian Whyte (and he got caught badly in that fight). Usyk has an insane record - just look at his amateur record 335−15 (for comparison Tyson Fury's is 32-4). That's unheard of. It's hard to see him being bulldozed by anyone

Usyk is a top boxer, and I do rate him. His amateur record is unprecedented.

But the man was shook, shook to his boots when Derek Chisora was paying no regard for his skills and bulldozing forward.

Chisora for me only lost that fight due to fatiguing. Which then gave Uysk the opportunity to get distance, and dominate Chisora with his boxing skills.

It is a risk and a gamble. But if Joshua was able to apply his mid-range offense at maximum intensity for 5-7 rounds, I don't think Usyk will be able to cope with that sort of bombardment.

Joshua has already shown that, if he is to fight Usyk from long range. He may drop a few rounds here and there, but he can still be competitive.

Tactically I just think Joshua, needs to come in a tad heavier. And embrace his mid-range offense.

Stylistically Uysk for any great super-heavyweight should be a straight forward fight. The reason why Joshua is struggling is because, he does not fight a good big man fight.

Big Man fight i.e Strong Jab, knowing how to wrestle on the inside a tie a fighter up, inside fighting and rough house tactics, straight punches from a distance.

Joshua struggles to fight in this manner, for a super heavyweight he actually struggles to fight like one. All great super heavyweights have a default tactic, which is 'The Big Man fight'.

Usyk would be a straight forward tactical fight for Wladimir Kiltschko, Lennox Lewis, and Tyson Fury. I won't guarantee that they would all win, but they for sure would know the best fight to implement against him.

Notice how with Joshua, everyone is acting like? Trying to devise a plan to beat Usyk, is like trying to crack the enigma code. If he cannot fight a big man styled fight, then it is very simple 'Joshua needs to apply some good old fashioned blunt force trauma'

[Roberto Vasquez]

Usyk is a top boxer, and I do rate him. His amateur record is unprecedented.

But the man was shook, shook to his boots when Derek Chisora was paying no regard for his skills and bulldozing forward.

Chisora for me only lost that fight due to fatiguing. Which then gave Uysk the opportunity to get distance, and dominate Chisora with his boxing skills.

It is a risk and a gamble. But if Joshua was able to apply his mid-range offense at maximum intensity for 5-7 rounds, I don't think Usyk will be able to cope with that sort of bombardment.

Joshua has already shown that, if he is to fight Usyk from long range. He may drop a few rounds here and there, but he can still be competitive.

Tactically I just think Joshua, needs to come in a tad heavier. And embrace his mid-range offense.

Stylistically Uysk for any great super-heavyweight should be a straight forward fight. The reason why Joshua is struggling is because, he does not fight a good big man fight.

Big Man fight i.e Strong Jab, knowing how to wrestle on the inside a tie a fighter up, inside fighting and rough house tactics, straight punches from a distance.

Joshua struggles to fight in this manner, for a super heavyweight he actually struggles to fight like one. All great super heavyweights have a default tactic, which is 'The Big Man fight'.

Usyk would be a straight forward tactical fight for Wladimir Kiltschko, Lennox Lewis, and Tyson Fury. I won't guarantee that they would all win, but they for sure would know the best fight to implement against him.

Notice how with Joshua, everyone is acting like? Trying to devise a plan to beat Usyk, is like trying to crack the enigma code. If he cannot fight a big man styled fight, then it is very simple 'Joshua needs to apply some good old fashioned blunt force trauma'

Chisora is very good at that swarming style though - he's actually improved that style in recent years. He really keeps his head protected and is hard to hit. Joshua gets tired fast and he will be big.

I do agree with you though - AJ needs to go for it against Usyk. He has no other choice. Also Usyk may be coming in bigger this time too so maybe he will have a better chance to catch hio,

That makes no sense about Fury because he just retired to avoid the winner of Usyk/AJ !( most likely Usyk). No one else would retire when they have the chance to become undisputed. Think about it - Fury said he could do nothing with Cunningham. Usyk is a better Cunnigham. He is made for Fury and Fury knows it.

There is a chance Usyk could get exposed still against other HWs I suppose. He has only had a few fights at HW and in a way AJ was made for him because AJ can usually outbox his opponents. (I don't think anyone has outboxed him apart from Usyk) Against a big HW who hits hard and has a good chin Usyk could come unstuck

[PRINCEKOOL]

Chisora is very good at that swarming style though - he's actually improved that style in recent years. He really keeps his head protected and is hard to hit. Joshua gets tired fast and he will be big.

I do agree with you though - AJ needs to go for it against Usyk. He has no other choice. Also Usyk may be coming in bigger this time too so maybe he will have a better chance to catch hio,

That makes no sense about Fury because he just retired to avoid the winner of Usyk/AJ !( most likely Usyk). No one else would retire when they have the chance to become undisputed. Think about it - Fury said he could do nothing with Cunningham. Usyk is a better Cunnigham. He is made for Fury and Fury knows it.

There is a chance Usyk could get exposed still against other HWs I suppose. He has only had a few fights at HW and in a way AJ was made for him because AJ can usually outbox his opponents. (I don't think anyone has outboxed him apart from Usyk) Against a big HW who hits hard and has a good chin Usyk could come unstuck

Chisora was not at his peak, no matter what people say. Tyson Fury, David Haye and Dillian Whyte all beat better versions of Derek Chisora 'Than Usyk'.

Chisora does not hit as hard as Joshua, and he had him shook.

I think all the talk of Joshua endurance is over exaggerated. Joshua is no Evander Holyfield, but his endurance is satisfactory.

His endurance is not elite, but it is good. What I think has impacted his endurance is, coming in light.

Joshua's endurance, durability and punching power has never been good since he has been coming in at 240 pounds and under

Whenever he gets down to those weights, those attributes go out the window.

Since I have been analysis this match up. I think people are also being very dramatic regarding Joshua's tactics.

Yes Joshua needs to be more aggressive, but he needs to be measured. Joshua fought the wrong fight last time, and he was still competitive.

So he knows, that he can mixed things up in there. It is not mandatory for him to go ballistic for a few rounds, then fatigue.

It is Joshua's inability to fight a big man styled fight, that has made this fight complicated. Stylistically Lennox Lewis, Tyson Fury, Wladimir Kiltschko? They would all know exactly how to fight Usyk.

I.E They would all use a typical big man styled fight, that all Great Super Heavyweights by default master 'All accept Joshua'. Strong Jab, tie a fighter up on the inside, rough house tactics, straight punch combinations, uppercuts as Usyk is coming in etc.