POLL: George Kambosos vs Devin Haney – Who Wins and How?

[shenmue]

It's laughable that Selby got a sd loss, he won 3 or 4 rounds at best, same for bey and lopez, George won his last 3 fights clearly.

[Silence]

It's laughable that Selby got a sd loss, he won 3 or 4 rounds at best, same for bey and lopez, George won his last 3 fights clearly.

And they say jUdgEs wiLL rOb hAnEy. Smh..

[Combat Talk Radio]

It being in Kambosos home turf really makes this hard for me to gauge. Nearly everything - time, conditions, judging, ref- are in his favor. But it is hard to just say he has the advantage, as Haney is so skilled and is literally betting on himself in taking this fight under all these conditions. When a man bets on himself, I tend to favor him. This is not a situation where someone is coming to Aussie Land to get a payday. Haney is coming to win and set himself up as a top wage earner and get respect. He accepted a smaller payday straight away for the opportunity. I respect it. So the intangibles are fairly even here in my opinion.

My gut is failing me in this one. So I will go with what I have seen. I just feel if both these fighters are bringing their "A" game, Haney has more ways to score rounds. Like the Bivol and Alvarez fight, even if the name fighter- the hometown warrior in this case- gets a few early rounds, the better boxer usually cannot be denied. I will be sucker enough to trust these judges to be honest.

Haney wins like 8 rounds to unify. No, I am not overly confident in that prediction. But I am comfortable with it.

Many here simply dislike Haney.

We don't dislike Haney - and comparing the two, we like CM Punk's swag and all.

HOWEVER...we have seen time and again that when a guy holds all or the majority of belts, for some reason, they just don't show up even if they don't take an L.


Look at Josh Taylor, for example. Arguably lost that fight w/Catterall.
Katie Taylor - arguably lost to Persoon, arguably lost to Serrano (what is it with the last name "Taylor" and disputed wins?)
Spence - damn near lost to Porter, didn't struggle with Danny Swift but certainly wasn't peak (accident or no)
Tank - damn near lost to Cruz
Canelo - arguably lost the first G fight, damn near lost the second one

Teo - lost
Loma - lost
Joshua - lost (twice)
Tyson - lost
Douglas - lost
Holyfield - lost
Monzon - lost
Valdez - lost
Corro - lost
Antuofermo - lost
Napoles - lost
Judah - lost
Spinks (Cory) - lost
Srisaket - lost
Menayothin - lost

Dunno what that's about, but we've seen it time and again. Without fail, really.

[Cypocryphy]

Many here simply dislike Haney.

We don't dislike Haney - and comparing the two, we like CM Punk's swag and all.

HOWEVER...we have seen time and again that when a guy holds all or the majority of belts, for some reason, they just don't show up even if they don't take an L.


Look at Josh Taylor, for example. Arguably lost that fight w/Catterall.
Katie Taylor - arguably lost to Persoon, arguably lost to Serrano (what is it with the last name "Taylor" and disputed wins?)
Spence - damn near lost to Porter, didn't struggle with Danny Swift but certainly wasn't peak (accident or no)
Tank - damn near lost to Cruz
Canelo - arguably lost the first G fight, damn near lost the second one

Teo - lost
Loma - lost
Joshua - lost (twice)
Tyson - lost
Douglas - lost
Holyfield - lost
Monzon - lost
Valdez - lost
Corro - lost
Antuofermo - lost
Napoles - lost
Judah - lost
Spinks (Cory) - lost
Srisaket - lost
Menayothin - lost

Dunno what that's about, but we've seen it time and again. Without fail, really.

That's due to the fact that when you have all the belts, there are no more easy fights. This isn't like before where you can, for the most part, step on the heads of bums to get your shot at a belt. This is one hard fight after another. This is people sitting there, studying you, coming up with a game plan (at the top level) to beat you. Lopez spent years on a plan to beat Loma. People built on past success with Tyson and knew how to break him. Canelo thought one game plan could rule them all. I guess there are various reasons but the one common denominator is that you have champions fighting champions in a sport where there can be only one winner.

You simply can't win every single fight, every night, fighting the best of the best. Simple as.

[STREET CLEANER]

Haney thinks he has something to prove. If he goes in with that mentality he will loose. He just has to be himself but that might stink up the place.

Kambosos showed a lot of things in the Lopez fight and has to fight with the same tenacity.

[Motofan]

I expect Devin to win closer on the cards than in reality UD but am hoping they manage to knock each other out somehow. The build up to this one has made both guys looks like clowns.

[MONGOOSE66]

Haney has the perfect style to whip him. That said, he has no power to keep him off. He also isn’t likely to get a decision unless he knocks him out.

[brettWall]

Strange and funny thing about this sport is that a large group of people from promoters, lawyers, travel agents, government officials, network executives, cable providers, all the way to the fans, bystanders, youtubers, you name it, are all spending time and energy for just one effing fight. A fight that may not even last 3 minutes. Just one effing fight.

Does this fight even have undercards that are worth watching?

That's probably why this sport needs clowns, trash talkers... clowns that entertain even before the fight happens.

[dan_cov]

Kambosos has gone from being one of the most underrated boxers in the sport to one of the most overrated in one fight.
I take nothing away from his win vs Lopez but everything lined up for him and Lopez was completely dismissive of him and fought like a complete idiot. I don't like Lopez and happy he lost (I can't say humbled) but I can't ignore his weight issues, issues outside the ring, the way he fought etc and going from fighting Loma to an almost unknown Kambosos, I think its just hard for him to get up for. I actually think Lopez is also overrated and it was potentially just his night vs Loma.
I know I sound awfully dismissive of Kambosos I do think he's a good fighter and gives the rest of them a good fight I just feel he caught lightning in a bottle if you will.

I think Haney takes it 9-3/8-4 but whether the judges see it that way remains to be seen. I think Haney wins a rather comfortable decision but the judges/venue worries me, Australia is one of the most corrupt Countries to box and I am not saying it because of Manny vs Horn, its rotten with the amount of blatant dives, weird calls, blatant robberies etc

[Cypocryphy]

Kambosos has gone from being one of the most underrated boxers in the sport to one of the most overrated in one fight.
I take nothing away from his win vs Lopez but everything lined up for him and Lopez was completely dismissive of him and fought like a complete idiot. I don't like Lopez and happy he lost (I can't say humbled) but I can't ignore his weight issues, issues outside the ring, the way he fought etc and going from fighting Loma to an almost unknown Kambosos, I think its just hard for him to get up for. I actually think Lopez is also overrated and it was potentially just his night vs Loma.
I know I sound awfully dismissive of Kambosos I do think he's a good fighter and gives the rest of them a good fight I just feel he caught lightning in a bottle if you will.

I think Haney takes it 9-3/8-4 but whether the judges see it that way remains to be seen. I think Haney wins a rather comfortable decision but the judges/venue worries me, Australia is one of the most corrupt Countries to box and I am not saying it because of Manny vs Horn, its rotten with the amount of blatant dives, weird calls, blatant robberies etc

Yeah. I can see that. For me I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Yes. He had marriage problems. Family problems. But honestly, when has there NOT been some crisis for Lopez? I remember he was in tears before the Loma fight! Having "daddy issues." Remember that? I'm not trying to mock Lopez because it sounds like he can be a cool guy, but he clearly has some mental problems that have been there a long time. Plus, I saw footage of him before the fight, and if anyone saw this footage, I'll give you a million dollars if you can honestly say that the guy looks sick or has some kind of physical condition. He was jumping off the walls, ready to knock Kambosos' head off. So I don't buy all that bull****.

What I do buy is that he thought it would be a walk in the park, just like almost everyone thought. I knew otherwise because I studied film on Kambosos. And I knew that those split decisions were bull****. I think round four, Selby threw like 30 to 40 jabs and couldn't land a single one because of Kambosos' control of distance and Selby's respect for his power.

Anyway, I'll get to the point: Haney looks lethargic. Whether he acknowledges it or is self aware of it is another story. Guy should have been in Australia awhile ago. When I was there, making that trip, I couldn't go to the bathroom for almost two weeks. I was freaking out because I thought I was going to have to go to the doctor. And apparently, that's a very common issue that everyone gets when doing a 16 hour timezone change. Your whole body is out-of-wack. And you don't notice the fatigue until you're put to a test. For me it was running a race. I thought I was good enough but I soon realized that I wasn't. Sometimes you think your fine, but then when it's time to perform, you can feel your body is not right. I can see that with Haney. He should have been there a month before.

The other thing is that I wonder how long Haney can keep it his fight. How long can he keep George on the outside? There will be points in the fight where George is going to get inside, and I wonder how that will change the flow of the fight. Especially the latter half. That pressure George will be putting on is going to be constant, relentless. So Haney needs to win every round in the beginning because the last half of the fight, George will be up in Haney's face as he slows down and has to fight Georges' fight. He did that with Linares. He thought Linares didn't have any pop, and then he found out otherwise last half of the fight. Same thing happen to him with Diaz, where Diaz began to collapse the pocket and started landing big shots, buzzing Haney multiple times. Kambosos hits harder than Diaz, that's for sure. Plus, George's super-power is an engine that doesn't stop. He fights just as hard round one as he does round 12. Haney doesn't have an engine like that, and he definitely doesn't with jet lag factored in.

The question is how long can Haney make it HIS fight? Can he do that for seven rounds? He's going to have to do for seven rounds and win those clearly or else he's going to lose, IMO.