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If Joshua could fight aggressive vs Usyk, why didn't he the first time?

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  • #11
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
    You are extremely apprehensive of what Anthony Joshua can do mate.

    You full well know Joshua can fight extremely aggressive, the evidence is there in his career.

    And common opinion, is that Joshua needs to somehow revert back to that style and attitude etc.

    I think you are spooked, Joshua is undefeated in rematches. His over analytical style does inhibit him from making adaptions on the fly 'As he will stall or just stick to what he has been working on'.

    But in any war, and long game situation. His traits start to excel, Joshua has near psychopathic work ethic. He is not going to fight the same fight twice, and he has been preparing obsessively for this rematch for quite sometime now.

    This rematch is easier for Joshua to prepare for than Ruiz Junior II. Joshua lasted the full 12 rounds, he was not knocked down and? He has visual conformation of the damage he caused Usyk. Yes Joshua was beaten, but he was competitive.

    PDK I've gone back over Anthony Joshuas early career in search of this marauding aggressive Joshua and the plain truth is he doesn't exist.

    Martin, Johnson, take your pick its pretty much the same AJ game plan of come out, jab a bit and look to counter with power.

    Joshua only becomes aggressive when the opponents are on unsteady legs.

    I can't find the fight where Joshua came forward impressively and created openings like that.

    I fact the fights where his opponents fought conservatively like Parker and Takam were his worst performances.

    Against Takam he was forced to attack Takam and looked very poor doing it.
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    • #12
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

      Ruiz Junior pretty much obliterated Joshua over a prolonged period of time. Plus he stood up to the full force of Joshua's offense.

      Usyk never did any of this. That is why I think from a mental perspective? Preparing for Usyk II, is not as haunting for Joshua in comparison to the Ruiz Junior rematch.

      But technically skill for skill, it is not easier fight on fight night 'I agree'. It is just that I think Joshua is coming into this rematch with more positives he can utilize.

      Joshua is clearly not as daunted by Usyk, like he was with Ruiz Junior. This is something people are overlooking or choosing to dismiss.
      That’s an interesting point, tbf. Ofc, he wasn’t absolutely destroyed in the sense of being knocked down repeatedly. Ironically, probably because he fought more cautiously than he would have done.

      My concern for him would be that he looked like he had no in-ring solutions for Usyk from as early as the break at round 1. Might not have been beaten up, or even psychologically traumatised (or whatever) but he struck me as being totally outfoxed, and I’ve long assumed part of the long rematch delay (aside from the obvious) was that he had no idea what to change for the rematch.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Earl-Hickey View Post

        PDK I've gone back over Anthony Joshuas early career in search of this marauding aggressive Joshua and the plain truth is he doesn't exist.

        Martin, Johnson, take your pick its pretty much the same AJ game plan of come out, jab a bit and look to counter with power.

        Joshua only becomes aggressive when the opponents are on unsteady legs.

        I can't find the fight where Joshua came forward impressively and created openings like that.

        I fact the fights where his opponents fought conservatively like Parker and Takam were his worst performances.

        Against Takam he was forced to attack Takam and looked very poor doing it.

        Yo, this something I’d never considered before. It’s an interesting take. Seen what you’re describing in numerous fights, actually, and maybe we’ve been fooled by the high KO percentage, and early ones at that.

        However, for evidence of what princekool is saying, Pulev works. Wasn’t Joshua’s best fight, but he was trying to kill that guy in there at times

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        • #14
          Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

          Ruiz Junior pretty much obliterated Joshua over a prolonged period of time. Plus he stood up to the full force of Joshua's offense.

          Usyk never did any of this. That is why I think from a mental perspective? Preparing for Usyk II, is not as haunting for Joshua in comparison to the Ruiz Junior rematch.

          But technically skill for skill, it is not easier fight on fight night 'I agree'. It is just that I think Joshua is coming into this rematch with more positives he can utilize.

          Joshua is clearly not as daunted by Usyk, like he was with Ruiz Junior. This is something people are overlooking or choosing to dismiss.
          Are you kidding me? The man was crying in his corner. Jesus, he was crying on the ropes from what it looked like, as if he'd let himself down and the whole of Britain. It was a sad sight. This is worse than Ruiz. Joshua is ****ed.

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          • #15
            Remember the bell rang with 10 seconds left on the clock? Usyk needed at least 15 more seconds and He would’ve really hurt Joshua further lol

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            • #16
              You don't really know what Josh was trying to do. He might have figured he's not going to outbox usyk but usyk had all the answers when Josh tried step on gas.
              But I think usyk does the same thing in rematch whilst Josh won't.
              I think Josh can do it

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Cypocryphy View Post

                Are you kidding me? The man was crying in his corner. Jesus, he was crying on the ropes from what it looked like, as if he'd let himself down and the whole of Britain. It was a sad sight. This is worse than Ruiz. Joshua is ****ed.
                Ruiz Junior forced Joshua to change as a person and fighter. I don't think Uysk has had that effect.

                Joshua has not suffered the same level of trauma, like he did against Ruiz Junior.

                Trying to beat Uysk is a more difficult task, I just don't think Joshua is as daunted by this challenged.

                That is the way things appear to me.


                Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 05-18-2022, 05:15 AM.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

                  Ruiz Junior forced Joshua to change as a person and fighter. I don't think Uysk has had that effect.

                  Joshua has not suffered the same level of trauma, like he did against Ruiz Junior.

                  Trying to beat Uysk is a more difficult task, I just don't think Joshua is as daunted by this challenged.

                  That is the way things appear to me.

                  Probably right.

                  The kind of **** that happened to him in the first Usyk fight is not the sort of thing that makes you have a mental breakdown like Lois Einhorn in Ace Ventura.

                  Its more the kind of thing that prompts you to go off puzzling for months about how the **** you get around the problem like Shooter McGavin in Happy Gilmore.

                  I'm not saying Joshua's gonna call up a psycho fan of his to get him to run Usyk over in a VW beetle. But it can't hurt his chances if he did
                  Last edited by P to the J; 05-18-2022, 06:08 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by P to the J View Post

                    Probably right.

                    The kind of **** that happened to him in the first Usyk fight is not the sort of thing that makes you have a mental breakdown like Lois Einhorn in Ace Ventura.

                    Its more the kind of thing that prompts you to go off puzzling for months about how the **** you get around the problem like Shooter McGavin in Happy Gilmore.

                    I'm not saying Joshua's gonna call up a psycho fan of his to get him to run Usyk over in a VW beetle. But it can't hurt his chances if he did
                    This is where Joshua's innate traits excel.

                    He is naturally a over analytical fighter outside of the ring, with near psychopathic work ethic.

                    Joshua started boxing very late, and within 2-3 years was a Olympic Champion. None of this is normal.

                    He only achieved such feats due to his innate abilities outside the ring, and near psychopathic work ethic.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

                      Ruiz Junior pretty much obliterated Joshua over a prolonged period of time. Plus he stood up to the full force of Joshua's offense.

                      Usyk never did any of this.
                      Maybe my memory is faulty. I would have sworn I saw Ruiz go down like a sack of cement from an AJ left hook and I really don't remember Usyk looking the slightest bit bothered by anything AJ landed on him.

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