Comments Thread For: Sergey Kovalev: My Name, Skills Makes Cruiserweight Division Exciting Again

[tokon]

wards got nothin to do with me. whats he mean to you? are you mexicano tryin to play a race card hahaha

sorry i mean jajaja

Hahaha, sorry, I meant jajaja. I read your post, liked it and it in turn prompted me to post about how how kovalev gave up the fight against ward too! Posting off my phone and must have gotten "like" and "quote" mixed up! Apologies.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Don't forget Rid**** Bowe

Rid**** Bowe & Lennox Lewis were the first signs of the emerging Super heavyweights.

Well throughout History Super Heavyweights have always been about in my opinion. I just don't think they dominated.

With modern training and sports nutrition. I actually think this helped Super Heavyweights become functional. Before then they were ether hit or miss.

Somebody like Tyson Fury, living and training in the 1930's for one? Is not going to weigh 270 + pounds. Fury in many ways is a bi-product and has benefited from modern sports science 'And it is the same with Anthony Joshua'.

Rid**** Bowe & Lennox Lewis differ, as their training routines were predominately based on old school techniques. Lewis could travel back in time to the 1930's, and pretty much be the same fighter 'Lennox Lewis would be unaffected by the environment'.

That is what for me a old school fighter is, somebody who can fight in any area and maintain their style and condition.

[duranfanatic]

Because I have a theory that the classic heavyweight i.e The Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Muhammad Ali, Michael Moorer, Mike Tyson, David Tua, Ron Lyle, the classic physique old school heavyweights are all hiding out at Cruiser weight since? The introduction of the 200 pound limit.

Don't forget Rid**** Bowe

[Haka]

LMAO I can fight into my 40s no problem. Let's see I hope he can and keep his health.

[PRINCEKOOL]

WBC is already doing this with the Bridgerweight division. Well, they’re separating smaller heavyweights from bigger ones.

Right now I think it’s 200 - 224, but Mauricio Sulaiman said he wants to lower their Cruiserweight to 190 lbs, making Bridgerweight 190 - 224 lbs.

It’ll throw everything else off if the other sanctioning bodies don’t adopt it though.

I don't want the separation.

I want the inclusion of all heavyweights.

The Cruiser-weight 200 pound limit, and that new division the WBC has created or is creating ? Just gives these old school heavyweights more places to hide out.

Off topic, there is a sub-culture with people in sports obsessing over safety and fairness 'Or the perception of fairness'. I don't think this attitude mixes well with combat sports.

I can remember when the halo was introduced to formula 1 cars, yes this halo is vital. But at first I had a issue with it, as did some drivers 'I would say the halo has been good, as it has allowed formula 1 to remain open ****pit racing'. I think the halo or something similar was introduced into IndyCar 1 year before Formula 1 started to use such safety measures.

Then you have all these touch line camera's and video assistance in ball sports.

Boxing for me, needs not to fall into the obsession 'Sometimes this culture can take away the authenticity of sports'.

The heavyweight divisions needs to stay as a open class division, with no separation.

And for the lower weight classes, I actually think they should re-introduce the same day weigh in's.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I don`t wanna see you again. Unlike Bivol, you agreed to put your name on Canelo`s resume for a huge payday.

[SUBZER0ED]

Wow, 2.5 years out of the ring with his last fight ending in a KO loss to a SMW, now coming back @ 39 as a CW? The Krusher will get Krushed.

[b Murphington]

I wonder whether they should change the Cruiser weight division back to 190 pound limit. Therefore forcing all these old school heavyweights back into the heavyweight division.

Well I assume a larger number of the current cruiser weight fighters, may enter into the heavyweight division.

Because I have a theory that the classic heavyweight i.e The Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Muhammad Ali, Michael Moorer, Mike Tyson, David Tua, Ron Lyle, the classic physique old school heavyweights are all hiding out at Cruiser weight since? The introduction of the 200 pound limit.

I just think if the Cruiser weight division is moved back to 190 pounds, it would probably improve that division as well as the heavyweight division.

The competition at heavyweight would have more variation of styles, and physiques.

WBC is already doing this with the Bridgerweight division. Well, they’re separating smaller heavyweights from bigger ones.

Right now I think it’s 200 - 224, but Mauricio Sulaiman said he wants to lower their Cruiserweight to 190 lbs, making Bridgerweight 190 - 224 lbs.

It’ll throw everything else off if the other sanctioning bodies don’t adopt it though.

[no.1P4P]

"When I want something, I will get it.”

Krusher mustn't have wanted to beat Ward . . . .

wards got nothin to do with me. whats he mean to you? are you mexicano tryin to play a race card hahaha

sorry i mean jajaja

[Boxing Logic]

WBSS tournament or I wont watch cruiserweight -- nah I'll watch Sergay get KO one more time, probably not his first fight but when he steps up I'll follow.

Damn Briedis and Glowacki did a great job, some of those punches looked legit. Bivol and Canelo need some practice so that it doesn't look so weak when Bivol hits him.

Do you think we ever see Gassiev win a big fight at heavyweight? Some of his fights looked good too, although I haven't actually looked closely at his.

Three other guys who I thought put on good shows: Alexander Bes***** in every fight except maybe Butaev, Butaev against Jamal James, Jaron Ennis the one time I watched him, and Israel Madrimov's KO of I think Rojas was very impressive work. Gvozdyk and Stevenson vs each other probably the best I've seen. I said that Gvozdyk was the best 175 I've seen the last 15 years, well maybe that's false, maybe Beterbiev's whole career just because to be literally like twice as strong and powerful as even the elite in that division, while being so close to them at everything else, and being so smart and tactically astute, it just seems like he really could be a modern Rocky Marciano, or a truly great all time light heavyweight. I mean, if his amateur career is any clue, he is the only one out of Bivol, Ward, Gvozdyk, and Kovalev to have success at heavyweight in the amateurs. And didn't he either beat or at least fight very even vs Usyk. Any light heavyweight that could be competitive with the current Usyk, it seems like they are an all time great light heavyweight and no one else, even as good as Bivol, should have much chance vs them at 175. But what I do I know.

However, I thought he and Gvozdyk both had showings that lowered both their stocks, with Gvozdyk unable to throw a proper power punch without falling sideways, and with Beterbiev losing rounds to an opponent who suddenly out of the blue was unable to throw a proper power punch without falling sideways. Gvozdyk looking so bad set the whole tone for the show where now because he looks bad, any competitive aspect to the fight at all will also make Beterbiev look bad, and I felt like that's what happened.

But if we compare the best Gvozdyk (vs Stevenson at the top level, and then maybe vs Mohammedi early in his career) to the best Beterbiev (almost any of his fights except vs Gvozdyk and the first two rounds vs Browne), if I had to pick, they would both overpower and out-variety the Bivol that fought Canelo, they would both beat Kovalev, they would both beat Ward at 175. The Bivol that fought Barrera, he might or might not beat Gvozdyk, but as for Beterbiev, if he couldn't stop Canelo moving forward with his punches, how will he stop Beterbiev coming forward?

I mean, some of these fights are so inconsistent, as far as the levels of power a fighter has or the skills, so you can really say whoever you want to win will win. I think it sends a better message to kids watching if Bivol or Gvozdyk come out on top over Beterbiev, Ward, and Kovalev, not that they should be watching Boxing at all but you get the point, so if I could pick, I guess I'd pick that, but as far as going off past results and trying to make some sort of consistency out of the inconsistent performances, I think the skill gap between Beterbiev and Bivol is less than the power and strength gap, because Beterbiev really does seem like the single strongest and most powerful boxer in the whole sport relative to his division, and it almost doesn't seem close. Who else in the entire sport does it feel like could do bicep curls with every other boxer in his division, or wrist curls?

And Beterbiev and Gvozdyk went the hard road through the division, Gvozdyk vs Stevenson and vs Beterbiev, probably the most difficult opponents both in skill and literal danger any boxer has had in one year in who knows how long, and Beterbiev vs Gvozdyk and to some extent Browne. Whereas Bivol went through the cash cow but not the big dangermen at 175. Bivol does have a deeper resume at 175 after the top level, maybe: Joe Smith Jr, Pascal, Chilemba (but Gvozdyk fought him too), Barrera, but Gvozdyk knocked out the Cuban who got robbed vs Pascal in a few rounds, he stopped Chilemba which Bivol couldn't, and Beterbiev fought Johnson and Kalidjic who are as good and maybe better than Smith Jr, Pascal, Chilemba, and Barrera.

Besides Beterbiev's fight vs Gvozdyk which is hard to make much sense of because Gvozdyk looked so goofy in it, he's shown the worst vs Browne and Dienes, which makes you question if he's just worse vs southpaws than orthodox? But then that can't be made much sense of either due to the fact, on the other hand, perhaps his greatest claim to being the best LHW is his success against Usyk in the amateurs, and Usyk is a southpaw.

But the people involved in this know so much more about Boxing than I do it's not even funny. So if it the results are meant to be true to reality, then they will be better able to figure all that out, and determine if maybe power and strength aren't as important as some of Bivol's advantages, given the specific styles and techniques and everything involved, or if they are, and the result will be much more realistic than whatever makes sense to me based on what I saw in past fights. But if no one really cares about that, and it's just about the desired result at the time, then that's what it will be, but I'm just pointing out it does seem inconsistent that Bivol has no punching power vs a smaller guy in Canelo but the exact same punches with the exact same preventative-mentality have much more punching power vs bigger stronger guys than Canelo. I think the explanation is supposed to be that Canelo went on PEDs and has a thick neck, but Pascal has an even thicker neck, and also tested positive for PEDs, and is much bigger and stronger than Canelo, and Bivol's punches still seemed impact Pascal's head harder.