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  • TernceBudCharlo
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    #21
    Originally posted by -Kev-

    Kell Brook was not ever ranked in the top 10 at 147-160 when Crawford fought him. Neither was Khan.

    Jacobs/Kovalev/Smith/Plant/BJS/Bivol are far better fighters than Brook/Khan/Horn/Kavaliouskas/ Benavidez Jr/Indongo.

    No one, aside from like 3-4 other Canelo critics, is going to agree with what you just said. And no one except maybe Terence Crawford’s mom thinks Crawford has a better resume than Canelo. Not even close.
    That Kell Brook still gave Khan the ass whooping of a lifetime. Was up on the scorecards vs spence until the injury and was the first man to truly show the world that GGG is beatable after Kasim Ouma. When your boy vacated his belt like a coward and was terrified of that man, it was Kell Brook who took on the risk.

    Speaking of Khan, I never even mentioned Khan. But funny enough Khan was good enough for Canelo, even though Canelo got outboxed by him for rounds while Bud just dominated him from start to finish.

    Bivol? Sure, he's a far better fighter than those guys. The other 5, 100% no, especially an alcoholic Kovalev that was 2 months off of a brutal fight far past his prime. I can't believe you're even mentioning Kovalev, last night should have been proof, seeing the way Canelo's punches had zero effect on Bivol, that that Kovalev was not the same Kovalev Andre Ward fought. These top 175 guys are too strong for canelo, no shame in that, but the Kovalev fight was a joke.

    The rest of those guys, I could go on all day about why they're nowhere near as good as you rate them.

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    • Floyd is TBE
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      #22
      Usyk is the only guy you mentioned that deserves praise. Canelo and Loma are cherrypicking frauds that just bit off more than they could chew. Loma was the favorite versus Teo and Canelo was the favorite versus Bivol. There are reasons for that.

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        #23
        Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

        You seriously can't argue now that Smith/Plant/BJS are more of a risk that Porter/Brook (yes even that Kell Book)/even mean machine. It's a complete joke.
        You seriously can you damn moron.

        Brook's was finished since the Golovkin fight, and Spence ended his prime for good. Two fights where he got his face caved in and you're going on like he's some prime threat.

        Smith/Plant/BJS are all solid B level guys who are naturally bigger than Nelo.

        Porter's a solid B level overachiever with short stature and T rex arms. Crawford's best win.

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        • -Kev-
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          #24
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          What about Tyson Fury?
          Not as consistently. Tyson Fury’s very few good wins have been huge wins for his career. Klitschko, Wilder and Whyte. Excellent wins, but very few and far in between.

          3 years between the Klitschko and Wilder fight. Another 2 years to fight Wilder again.

          From the Wilder trilogy to the Whyte fight, that is the most consistent I have seen Fury fighting top 10 fighters. And now he is retiring, supposedly.

          When I mention Canelo and Usyk, I am talking about consistency. Usyk cleaned out Cruiserweight and now picked up 3 belts at Heavyweight.

          Canelo became Ring champ at 160 and 168. From 154 to 175, from age 21 to age 31, Canelo fought 14 fighters in The Ring’s top 10.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Hype job

            You seriously can you damn moron.

            Brook's was finished since the Golovkin fight, and Spence ended his prime for good. Two fights where he got his face caved in and you're going on like he's some prime threat.

            Smith/Plant/BJS are all solid B level guys who are naturally bigger than Nelo.

            Porter's a solid B level overachiever with short stature and T rex arms. Crawford's best win.
            Callum Smith lost to John Ryder, Caleb plant fought NOBODY respectable and was getting pieced up by damn Truax at the end of the fight, and Saunders was a guy who cheated his way to bailing out of the Demetrius Andrade fight. And arguably lost to Willie Monroe.

            Yeah, epic resume right there...

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              #26
              Originally posted by Hype job

              Canelo's last ten opponents have all been bigger than him.



              No he hasn't. He started at 140 and had a very significant run of fights at 147 and below 154. Stop talking utter nonsense. Most of his recent opponents were full fledged middleweights since the amateurs.
              Lets make a thread about Mike Tyson, how many fighters were bigger than him.

              Why are you telling me this? And were they really bigger than him?

              Why are you speaking of Alvarez as if, he was some genuine Welter Weight?

              Do you honestly think Alvarez was the same size as Mayweather?

              Alvarez has always been a middle-weight, posing as a welterweight early on in his career 'Everyone knows this'.

              Everyone knows that being the big man on fight night, was part of his game at Welter Weight.

              I seriously have no idea why you are trying to make out, Alvarez is some undersized fighter. The man is a dense, stocky, sturdy fighter 'That is his body type'.

              I am not saying he does not take risks, because he does. But some of the things you are saying here, are exaggerated.

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                #27
                Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

                That Kell Brook still gave Khan the ass whooping of a lifetime. Was up on the scorecards vs spence until the injury and was the first man to truly show the world that GGG is beatable after Kasim Ouma. When your boy vacated his belt like a coward and was terrified of that man, it was Kell Brook who took on the risk.

                Speaking of Khan, I never even mentioned Khan. But funny enough Khan was good enough for Canelo, even though Canelo got outboxed by him for rounds while Bud just dominated him from start to finish.

                Bivol? Sure, he's a far better fighter than those guys. The other 5, 100% no, especially an alcoholic Kovalev that was 2 months off of a brutal fight far past his prime. I can't believe you're even mentioning Kovalev, last night should have been proof, seeing the way Canelo's punches had zero effect on Bivol, that that Kovalev was not the same Kovalev Andre Ward fought. These top 175 guys are too strong for canelo, no shame in that, but the Kovalev fight was a joke.

                The rest of those guys, I could go on all day about why they're nowhere near as good as you rate them.
                You may be the dumbest poster on this forum.

                Amir Khan had the chin of a 90yo woman by the time Brook faced him.

                You don't have a clue about the GGG/Brook Khan/Nelo fights. Anyone who knows boxing could see what Nelo and G were doing. G wanted a firefight and didn't care about getting hit because of his bizarre punch resistance, he knew a natural welter couldn't phase him one bit.

                Nelo was getting his timing, smashing up Khan's ribs, he was flustered for about 2 rounds lol.

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                  #28
                  It is not hard to "take risks" if Mayweather beats you 12-0 in rounds and he gets only a majority decision.

                  The other guy must completely school Canelo to get a close decision.

                  Canelo is a very good fighter, but he is also the most protected hype job ever.

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                  • -Kev-
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

                    That Kell Brook still gave Khan the ass whooping of a lifetime. Was up on the scorecards vs spence until the injury and was the first man to truly show the world that GGG is beatable after Kasim Ouma. When your boy vacated his belt like a coward and was terrified of that man, it was Kell Brook who took on the risk.

                    Speaking of Khan, I never even mentioned Khan. But funny enough Khan was good enough for Canelo, even though Canelo got outboxed by him for rounds while Bud just dominated him from start to finish.

                    Bivol? Sure, he's a far better fighter than those guys. The other 5, 100% no, especially an alcoholic Kovalev that was 2 months off of a brutal fight far past his prime. I can't believe you're even mentioning Kovalev, last night should have been proof, seeing the way Canelo's punches had zero effect on Bivol, that that Kovalev was not the same Kovalev Andre Ward fought. These top 175 guys are too strong for canelo, no shame in that, but the Kovalev fight was a joke.

                    The rest of those guys, I could go on all day about why they're nowhere near as good as you rate them.
                    So a shot fighter giving another shot fighter an ass whooping somehow makes him…unshot?

                    Brook beating Khan has nothing to do with anything. It makes zero sense.

                    When Crawford fought Khan, Khan hadn’t beaten a top 10 fighter in 4 years. It was even worse when Brook fought him so idk what hell you are talking about Brook and Khan. You are just digging yourself a hole. I am embarrassed for you for bringing up Brook and Khan as some good wins for Crawford. That’s shameful. It almost looks like you are a Crawford hater using satire.

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                    • Amir Imam
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                      #30
                      Going up to cruiserweight as a 5’6 flat footed fighter isn’t having balls it’s just dumb. This is boxing you can’t play those type of bravery games. I don’t think any other fighter would be dumb enough to do that just to get a pat on the back from boxing fans. He just got played by Hearn and that’s all it is to it.

                      He’s fought in 10 catchweights far more than any fighter in his era. His resume the last 5yrs isn’t as good as you’re making it out to be. You could argue Usyk and Spence, has better resumes in the last 5yrs.

                      His last 8 fights. I don’t see those risks in any of these fights.

                      Plant
                      Saunders
                      Yildrim
                      Smith
                      Kovalev
                      Smith
                      Jacobs
                      Fielding

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