Who had the more impressive win over Canelo? Mayweather or Bivol?

[just the facts]

Hey this thread about floyd why you bring Pac up?
I think bivol beating pfp no1 better than Floyd beating pfp no10 with a cw! CW can never be rewarded. Floyd already was already rewarded by keeping his zero, the cw did it's job. But don't then say its a great win.
It was a great performance by floyd, he did what he was supposed to do with a green drained nelo, did nelo even land 1 punch on floyd? But that's beside the point, it's not about who looked prettier and good like a poser? It's what was greater win. Getting unneccesary, manufacturered advantages like Floyd did with the CW, disqualifies Floyd win from being able to be deemed great. BIVol of course had height and weight advantages but they are natural advantages, which aren't bivols fault.

This is you’re ignorant pattern. Every single thread you post in includes: a)negative comment about Floyd or b)Mannys the goat. Even in threads that have absolutely nothing to do with either. You do this over and over. You just don’t seem to be able to cope with the fact that Floyd EASILY beat your hero and your undying man love will never change that.

[Amir Imam]

You're either being intellectually dishonest or you're just repeating what others say about the issue.
Fighting below 154 (153 1/2 ) does not mean he can make 152 easy.

Canelo said he would be willing to fight Floyd at 150 years (if I'm remembering correctly) before the fight actually materialized (hint hint when he could actually make the weight!). Why would Floyd counter with a higher catchweight? To accommodate Canelo? You know that's not the case there was no way Canelo could make 150lbs so Floyd squeezed him down to 152lbs because that's as low Canelo would agree to go.

Pre fight quotes can be taken with a grain of salt, no fighter is going to say "making weight was terrible I hope I'm at my best tomorrow". That would obviously play into the opponent's favor.

Again, bringing up other catchweights is irrelevant. I don't have a problem with catchweights, Canelo agreed to it and now he has to live with the consequences. I'm just saying he had to fight Floyd at an uncomfortably low weight for him at the time and that puts an asterisk on the win for me. You can like it or not, but that's how it went down. Shouldn't bother you really, just go re-watch Canelo lose to Floyd or Bivol and feel better. My opinion still stands and is grounded on reality not fanaticism.

It means he can make it easy because HE SAID IT. you’re either trolling or being intellectually dishonest. Should I believe him or should I believe Babadoux from boxingscene? Can you not read? Of course Prefight quotes don’t matter now because they don’t fit your narrative and of course you don’t have a problem with catchweights because the person you’re defending holds the record for them. I’m sure if Floyd had 5 fights in a row at catchweight you’d care. Floyd fought 2 catchweights his entire career.

Oscar
I read somewhere, where Canelo mentioned, or someone mentioned that [Canelo] won round one - well he won round one. It's funny because the weight of 152 - it's not going to help Mayweather. On the contrary, its going to benefit Canelo," De La Hoya told BoxingScene.com.

Canelo
Making 152 pounds was "easy. I reached weight yesterday, and reached it today," Alvarez said in Spanish to an interpreter.

Reynoso
Eddy Reynoso, would echo his sentiments. "Ellerbe is so smart. He had the supposed best pound-for-pound fighter go up 5 pounds. That mother****er. What are they talking for? We requested 152, and I think in the end we did well."


All Evidence shows them bragging about the 152 as if it was dangerous for Floyd to even entertain the idea. The Floyd fight was obviously a cherry pick gone wrong by Team Canelo. I’m stating facts based off evidence from his circle you’re giving emotional opinions. It’s not about me liking it or not and you can put 10 asterisks by it, that asterisk means nothing if you have no credentials and it won’t change the outcome. I respect your opinion though. I’m just stating facts.

[Roadblock]

My statement was: "Canelo had to come in lighter than he was used to against Floyd" you said that's a lie because Canelo had fought in 10 catchweights... Canelo weighed in at 152 against Floyd at a time when he hadn't weighed in at 152 or less for more than 2 years. He looked terrible at the weigh in and never weighed in below 154 lbs after that, on the contrary he actually continued fighting at higher weights.

How many catch weights Canelo has fought in is completely irrelevant to my point. My point is that at the time he fought Floyd he was forced to fight at a weight that was extremely difficult for him to make, and that to me adds an asterisk to the win. Just because he weighed in at 153 1/2 in his previous fight against Trout does not mean he could make 152 easy. Maybe Floyd should have made the catchweight at 153 1/2, but he didn't.

Go and look at the pics of the two fights, there are loads of them, don't pick a few that suit you take a wide broad look at the body of Canelo through all different angles across many different pictures, do the same for the Bivol fight and then come back and tell where his biggest handicap was in the two fights, all you guys do is throw numbers around that you perceive to mean something they don't, you talk drained yet have no idea of what that really is and the fight performance didn't show it, its only the numbers and the numbers can kill one guy and do nothing to another, so that opens the door for BS opinion with nothing to back it just numbers that don't tell the story.

Going into the Bivol fight he is as bloated as you can be bloated, the weight he was carrying in fluid weight did nothing for him and the size and youth of Bivol made Canelo a flat-footed plodder trying to load up on 10 punches a round, he had no such thing against Floyd, yes he had to make weight, did it drain him, if it did point it out to me from the fight itself show me drained pics of the in fight Canelo, point out the video sequence that shows he was weak, slow, gassed, lacking resistance, running out of gas every round etc, all of which none appeared during the fight, just because a guy has to work to make weight if he hydrates fully it won't hurt him, if he doesn't hydrate fully that's when things get messy, like Oscar gaining only 2 pounds is dead man walking. Canelo was perfect compared to Oscar.

Canelo got beat by a much bigger prime generic classic boxer, with the advantages he had if Bivol was that next level guy he would have stopped Canelo, he is actually basic, just top-level basic, without the size difference and bloat Canelo breaks through the defense which changes the fight, there comes a point where weight gain/ opponent size and skills will beat you, Canelo at 175 against prime 175 guys is at least one weight class, more likely two with his best weight at MW, although it would take a burning desire to get back to MW after so long at the higher weight, Im sure that's where the best fighting Canelo would be.

The BS in here is about not giving Floyd any credit for what he did during his career, its always some BS why he beat someone, he either cheated or got lucky or bribed the world, its fckn ridicules the BS in here about Mayweather.

[hugh grant]

This is you’re ignorant pattern. Every single thread you post in includes: a)negative comment about Floyd or b)Mannys the goat. Even in threads that have absolutely nothing to do with either. You do this over and over. You just don’t seem to be able to cope with the fact that Floyd EASILY beat your hero and your undying man love will never change that.

Your correct I do criticise floyd more than pac. But pac critics criticise pac at every opportunity do you call them up on it? Do you police them?.Doubt it so your being two faced.
floyd does have a win over pac, but floyd fans still don't seem happy and able to cope themselves. Not sure what that says? I mean you.just mentioned pac in a floyd thread? I never mentioned pac as it's a floyd thread

[Boxing-1013]

The BS in here is about not giving Floyd any credit for what he did during his career, its always some BS why he beat someone, he either cheated or got lucky or bribed the world, its fckn ridicules the BS in here about Mayweather.

The man clearly took every advantage he could get in his Money May days, including in his fight vs Canelo. To ignore that is dumb. To defend it while acting like it didn't happen is idiotic.

[Amir Imam]

The man clearly took every advantage he could get in his Money May days, including in his fight vs Canelo. To ignore that is dumb. To defend it while acting like it didn't happen is idiotic.

No fighter has took more advantages than Canelo. They thought they could bully Floyd around. It was a cherry pick gone wrong. They bragged about the 152lbs all the way leading up to the fight. Canelo has had more catchweights and rehydration clauses than Floyd did his entire career. Also Floyd fought only two fighters coming off losses his entire career.

5 catchweights in a row. I never want to hear a Canelo fan talk about advantages.

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[Boxing-1013]

No fighter has took more advantages than Canelo. They thought they could bully Floyd around. It was a cherry pick gone wrong. They bragged about the 152lbs all the way leading up to the fight. Canelo has had more catchweights and rehydration clauses than Floyd did his entire career.

5 catchweights in a row. I never want to hear a Canelo fan talk about advantages.

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Well I'm not a Canelo fan so why did you tag me exactly? And who do you think Canelo learned it from?

[ELPacman]

Both were pretty boring fights but without a doubt Bivol's win is more impressive. I'm not even sure how that's a question. Bivol beat up a prime Canelo whose gotten so much experience since the Fraud Jr. fight. He's night and day compared to back then when Fraud picked on him.

Though again, who cares, both were mostly mediocre run of the mill fights. At least Bivol was more active and threw 5+ punch combinations. Fraud hit the snooze button and left it on cruise control.

[Amir Imam]

Well I'm not a Canelo fan so why did you tag me exactly? And who do you think Canelo learned it from?

I tagged you because you left this comment.

The man clearly took every advantage he could get in his Money May days, including in his fight vs Canelo

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Floyd fought 2 catchweights his entire career. Canelo is at 9-10 and his career ain’t even over yet. If you knew how to count you wouldn’t even be comparing the two. You trying to compare the two just let’s me know how much jealousy you all have for Floyd.

[Boxing-1013]

I tagged you because you left this comment.

The man clearly took every advantage he could get in his Money May days, including in his fight vs Canelo

If you leave a comment on a forum someone may reply.

Floyd fought 2 catchweights his entire career. Canelo is at 9-10 and his career ain’t even over yet. If you knew how to count you wouldn’t even be comparing the two. You trying to compare the two just let’s me know how much jealousy you all have for Floyd.

Huh? What are you talking you little weirdo.

Yes I said "The man clearly took every advantage he could get in his Money May days, including in his fight vs Canelo"

That is just a fact. If that upsets you little weirdo fanboys, so be it. Cry about it. Idgaf.

I compared them as far as yes, Canelo became the superstar after Floyd, and learned from him as far as maximizing reward and limiting risk, and carefully choosing your opponent, especially when you fought that opponent and under what conditions. Callum Smith for example became a cherry pick after he was just beaten (but not officially) badly by Ryder the fight before he faced Canelo.

Floyd's whole Money May run was basically about limiting his risk while maximizing his revenue. Good for him but for a BOXING FAN to ignore that is idiotic.

You seem like a fanboy though so do you.