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the only way to evolve after a certain point is to just try to fight a boxer, while also saying boxing isn’t real fighting compared to MMA. Every mma guy who reaches his ceiling just calls out the best boxer in his weight class It’s crazy. Go look at Canelo’s Twitter. He just had to put Usman in his place.
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floyd mac did a good job on what cash can be made from a crossover maybe
plus top mma guys give a large share to dana it seems, they dont control things like a top boxer could do -
Its not about the ceiling its about the pay. White doesn't want to share with the talent. Funnily enough I kinda think this is what is holding the sport back. I think if the renumeration got better, the UFC would have an explosion in talent...especially in its light heavy and heavyweight divisions.Comment
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Your other boxing vs MMA thread stopped getting responses eh?Comment
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PPV cash in UFC doesn't get to the fighters the way it does in Boxing. Conor has shown that to get that Mayweather money you need to go into boxing.
You're not getting boxers going into MMA for the money.Comment
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Last we spoke about MMA I grilled the trainers and blamed them for MMA's fighters' low caliber skillsets.
This time we're going to talk about boxing history and its relation to MMA.
Does anyone actually believe a sport that is just punches to the upper body predates open rule, no rules, or mixed rules sports? I mean we'd call them mixed today, they just called it boxing when it was happening.
I'm going to focus on America because her history is youngest and easiest to look up. Should any choose to.
We have champions who were more wrestler than striker, in boxing.
We have champions known for their ability to kick, in boxing, with steel cleats.
In America abouts the later 1600 through the mid 1700s it was so common to win a boxing match by castrating your opponent making castrating another citizen of the colonies a felony was actually one of America's first laws.
Sticking with early American boxing, another very common tactic was to pluck out the other man's eyes. When the Brits witnessed what Americans called boxing they were disgusted by the violence and comparisons to Rome were made straight away. This is where the term "Rough-N-Tumble" comes from. Rough, because they might take your willy or your peepers, tumble because plenty of wrestling. It'd be fair to say American boxing was more wrestling than boxing.
"Real" fighting....It's kinda cute, they're in a cage or ring, they have a ref to keep them safe, and a cup to project what in a real fight is most vulnerable. Let an MMA guy take an eye poke and the MMA world cries for weeks. Our champions lost their eyes and their nuts....no hyperbole.
British boxing would be displayed in America abouts the 1820s not terribly long after Tom Molyneaux fought Tom Cribb actually.
British boxing had already formed into the punch-based sport on its own with a very similar path except they were not plucking eyes with thumbs. Brits, before they were punch-only sportsman, were swordsman, clubs, quarterstaff, a sack with rocks in it, you get what I'm driving at....weapons masters. Who came around to just the fist over time as well but like I said at the start America's path is easier to look up so what is important to know is the Brits didn't start out just punches either but by 1820s had refined their sport to a punch-based sport that allowed for some level of wrestling and very little kicking.
Punching started to dominate the arena-less, rule-less, rough-n-tumble scene. All your first American BK champions are rough-n-tumble fighters who got too good at punching to stay in the r-n-t level of things and started to challenge British boxers in British style boxing.
We call bare knuckle London Prize Ring Rules because it is the refined form of bare knuckle not the only form, so it is what you look to for things like lineage in modern boxing and it came from England...if the title didn't let you know some how.
As Americans start to take over BK with punching skills they don't much change the difference in culture from America to England. They adopt the English focus on punching but not English codes for gentleman behavior.
"Lick and son of the ***** in the building" is not exactly becoming of an English gentleman but is regarded as absolute bullbuggery badassery in the United States.
From the 1820-1920 is the era of bar clearing boxing champions. Many men have stories of going to bars and the like and getting into fights with common folk, other fighters, and members of organized crime. This is where the term "Real McCoy" comes from. It's also how John L Sullivan got so popular.
Boxing is the oldest combat sport known to man. Believing it started just punches is ******. Believing we have not opened up boxing to open, mixed, and no rules fighters and situations is also ******. Multiple times, I only covered the American version. It happens about every 500 years in this 3k year old sport.
Boxing is a punch only sports because that is what a no rules sport naturally refines itself to. We've done it, so, so many times. And like Rough-N-Tumble their best options are quickly becoming learning to punch and fighting a champion boxer. Very similarly to how the weapons masters of 14th-18th century England converted to punch masters or got left behind. Very similar to the Greeks holding loose rules pankration to figure out what is best, and, the original reason the original boxers split their hand-to-hand soldier training into two distinct art forms; boxing and wrestling. Everyone knows grabbing folk has its place, second to boxing. The Greeks found this out and let us be clear, MMA has no Theaganese or Klietomachos. Only boxers converted to wrestlers won all three combat sports events in ancient greece. No wrestler not pankrationist ever entered the boxing tournament and won. Boxers entered all three, and won, and are known for the first instance in all of history as the "Heavy Champion"
So yeah, of course their ceiling is so low they need boxing. It's always been that way.....like, always-always. Past three thousand years worth of always been that way.
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It’s purely economic.
Top fighters in UFC can earn significantly more for these ‘crossover’ fights.Comment
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