Americans having a real hard time recognising that Fury is a top 2 heavyweight ever

[Pac=Duran]

I’ve said it many times: Lennox is the only man that would beat Fury through out history. And it would be like 55/45 in his favour.

how do you beat Fury when he is in peak condition? It’s very very hard. You need to be strong as an ox and have a comparable reach and a **** tonne of power. Also you need to be smart.

Lennox and Vitali are the only two that fit the bill imo.

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Let's be brutally honest here, Fury knocks Lennox out.

If Rahman and McCall could spark him, so would Fury.

He would give Vitali a boxing lesson.

[Shrimper]

I know it's difficult to compare boxers from different eras this is partly due to the current heavyweights being so much bigger and more mobile. Fury however must be considered top 5 greatest heavyweight of all time.
Marciano is considered by many a top 5 greatest heavyweight - does anyone realistically think that he is better than Fury??

[Pac=Duran]

Let's be brutally honest here, Fury knocks Lennox out.

If Rahman and McCall could spark him, so would Fury.

He would give Vitali a boxing lesson.

It’s possible but Lewis is the guy that has all the tools required to beat Fury. No one else has a real chance

[TMLT87]

Theres times where he looks great (Wilder 2 and this Whyte fight just now) and times where he doesnt. Hes definitely not indestructible. Plus this is a pretty weak era and even then hes not exactly fought a lot of the better names in it. Theres a pretty big jump from Dillian Whyte, 39 year old Wlad, Michael Grant 2.0 and Del Boy to guys like Lennox, Holyfield, Bowe, a prime Wlad and his more talented brother, Holmes etc etc.

[hugh grant]

I can't say how fury will do against lennox until he fights Josh and usyk. If fury beats Josh I can say he'd beat lennox.

[The Big Dunn]

This is ridiculous. I don’t think any American has failed to give Fury his credit.

Giving him proper credit is significantly different than putting him in the same class or saying he’d beat prime Louis, Ali or any other great American hwt.

If he beats the Usyk/AJ winner, which I believe he will, then he will have done what those American greats have done and cleaned out the hwt division.

Once that is done then I think rational fans will reassess where he is in the pantheon of hwt greats.

He very well may be a top 3 ATG hwt champion.

[Smash]

I can't say how fury will do against lennox until he fights Josh and usyk. If fury beats Josh I can say he'd beat lennox.

that makes sense

[Marchegiano]

I know it's difficult to compare boxers from different eras this is partly due to the current heavyweights being so much bigger and more mobile. Fury however must be considered top 5 greatest heavyweight of all time.
Marciano is considered by many a top 5 greatest heavyweight - does anyone realistically think that he is better than Fury??

The single most knowledgeable boxing historian on this forum does. Or maybe I'm second, or possibly third or fourth. No way I am outside the top five.


When you guys form your opinion how much of it is guess work and taking for granted **** you hear? Maybe don't. Maybe do some real ****ing research once? You know, the kind where you take nothing for granted and check everything for yourself?

Sometimes I wonder do you guys think I just picked some names out of a hat then retroactively applied situations to fit and exalt these names just so I can rail against popular belief.

I just like being contrarian and I use my researched histories as fodder, or a shield, to farther my outlandish takes? For ****'s sake.


Prove to me weight divisions are a means of protection. Prove to me movement is highly effective. Prove to me all the **** y'all brag about Tyson actually translates to the "all time" game.

Why do you believe this ****? Because not someone told you, but everyone, right? Everyone knows weight divisions are so little dudes do not get mirked by giants. Everyone knows boxing is all about hitting and not being hit back. Everyone knows power is mystical energy you're born with that can't be trained. Even when the evidence to the contrary is sitting there right in front of their ****** faces.

Everyone knows a camel's hump holds water too. Common knowledge....it's ****** and untrue though.


Let me tackle something more benign so I don't totally lose all Fury ****riders. How's abouts power hmm?

Someone here spent years arguing against the idea power is something you are born with. Got all sorts of memes and videos of trainers posted at me and I gave 0 ****s while I maintained power is a question of physics and physics alone. No, conventional wisdom is power is something you're born with.

Then Tyson Fury goes and trains power, learns to punch worth a ****, and no one here talks about how power is a mystical born with energy no one can attain later in life, but also not a single ****ing one of you recognize, oh ****, you believe ****** **** all the time just because you hear it often from so called experts.

So, is power something you are born with?

Clearly not.

Why do people say it? **** if I know, it was always ****** and I never understood why people shut their brains down when they get told **** from fighters and trainers.

How sure are you size is an advantage now?

Here's a task. Find me the era when big men actually beat up little men consistently.

Find me the era when boxers actually beat up punchers consistently.

Yeah, you won't, because those do not exist. When small men beat up big men consistently is every single point in history prior to scheduled ends for fights. Before decisions, fights to the finish are the domain of the 150-190.

So who does the division protect?

How about them punchers being absolutely confused by boxing in.....well I dunno when but it totes definitely happened yo because ev'ry body knows running away is super important in boxing. Y'all watched Tyson get dropped and stunned every single time he fought no boxing skills Wilder. You watched Tyson and have heard Tyson explain he is improved over his all boxing form. You still maintain boxing is super important....how ****ing ****** can you be? You saw him get as close as he's ever been to an L while being all boxing. You heard him say he needs to add power, you watched him go learn it, you've seen the fruits of it....movement? Are you ****ing slow son? Movement? Yeah....was movement that beat Wilder. Movement that KO'd Whyte. Sure.

That's why to date, if Fury does actually retire, there are two HW champions who kept their 0. 2 of them on film in the modern era. 0 of them pure boxers. There is no such thing as an unbeaten pure boxer. In any point in history. You open them 0's up to all time and there's like 10 unbeaten HW champions. BK had some, the ancients had some. Among them there is only one, ever, in the entire full history of boxing who could be called a pure defense fighter. Calling him a boxer is a stretch though as he didn't use movement or elusiveness. He used guard. There are no unbeaten fighters who used movement as their primary asset in the HW division. 0.


Super important, movement, so important it can't produce an unbeaten champion in any era without the addition of punching......maybe it's punching that's actually super important y'all uneducated, arrogant, dip****s.

[STREET CLEANER]

He has a few good wins but is not top 2 greatest ever. Fighting the winner of Usyk/AJ will make a case for him but this era is missing some solid competition.