Pacquiao Denies Steroid Use, Roach Blasts Floyd

[paulf]

Yes

Co-Sign

This is why anything coming out of Mayweather Sr's mouth about Pacquiao should be dismissed as depressing attempts to attack a fighter who more or less ruined any chances Mayweather Sr. has of training another fighter.

The guy is butthurt and is still bitter that Pacquaio retired both him and Hatton. Nothing less, nothing more.

Co-Sign. The guy told his fighter, who was paying him and depending on him, that traffic was why he was late while he was headed to taco bell. Nothing he says should ever be given even a passing thought.

[rao007]

Dude, the questions were out there WAAY before FMS said anything. He is reflecting. Not generating. It only made big news because it is FMS. There were pac threads about steroids on NSB back in April, and on other boards since last year. See here?

http://board.rapmusic.com/audio-emce...ed-gloves.html

You still seem confused about opinion and fact. And now, angry. Sigh. I'll leave it alone. Everyone learns at their own pace, I guess.

Cheers.

It's not simply opinion or fact--it's about making the opinion count otherwise Sr's latest comments are just incendiary.

[rao007]

Repost from yesterday:

I do not know if Manny Pacquiao is on the juice. Maybe never will. My argument is that to dismiss the idea that he - or any other elite fighter - isn't is just silly. In fact, it's more likely that at least a few people in your top ten pound for pound ARE using.

Performance enhancers are the elephant in the living room everyone acknowledges and whispers about but, for the most part, ignore. Why? Because no one wants to blow the lid off of their sport. You don't think a good portion of those athletic freaks in the NFL aren't using? I'd guess it's worse than baseball. But no one wants to be Jose Canseco. You saw what happened: he suggested a few names and before we knew it, boom! We discover that most of the big dogs are users. From A-Rod to Barry to McGwire to Sammy...the list is endless.

No one wants to be that rat for boxing. Maybe it's for the best. But if you seriously think these fighters and trainers are holier than thou than I have some penis-growing pills I'd like to sell you.

Nobody is saying that some top-athletes are not exposed to the temptations of steroid use, from Marion Jones to Sosa--but unless I see hard evidence atleast an informant who clearly saw Pacquiao use roids--it's just rumours. What you're stating is the obvious in every sport today. What I'm discussing is Pacquiao himself.

[tesla_power]

Or even in the "loose" sense of the word.

Main Entry: ac·cuse
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈkyüz\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): ac·cused; ac·cus·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French accuser, from Latin accusare to call to account, from ad- + causa lawsuit
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1 : to charge with a fault or offense
2 : to charge with an offense judicially or by a public process





Main Entry: opin·ion
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpin-yən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin opinion-, opinio, from opinari
Date: 14th century
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : approval, esteem
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view


Now, which did FMS do? Did he charge Pac with something, or did he express a view formed in his mind?

You can leave this as a rhetorical question. You may not be fond of admitting error.

Could you look up definition number 2 of accuse. Does speaking in public fall under that?

[rao007]

What does any of this have to do with taking roids??

I'm just using common sense. When Marquez and Pacquiao fought for the rematch at 130--they Lampley was surprised that Pacquiao had rehydrated 16lbs. After Lampley's comment about Pacquiao's rehydration--Steward stated that Pacquiao had roughly 7 lbs more natural muscle than Marquez. Now, what has Pacquiao been weighing-in since he moved up? --135, 142, 138. Very close to his Steward had suggested. If Pacquiao is taking steroids and getting lean muscle--he should still be increasing in weight. Those "extra" muscles still need rehydration to be useful. It hasn't happened yet.

If i'm wrong in my assessment. It's my opinion but atleast I'm showing you logic instead saying "Pacquiao be doing this all in fronT of the TV (showing a pose)....you know what that's about"..

[rao007]

could you look up definition number 2 of accuse. Does speaking in public fall under that?

bingoooo!!!

accusation

–noun
1. a charge of wrongdoing; imputation of guilt or blame.
2. the specific offense charged: The accusation is murder.
3. the act of accusing or state of being accused.

[WhoreUs]

touched a nerve I see

ok no worries man apologies for getting you all upset

if you to solely attribute his weight gain to not cutting or water weight ok but like I said looking at the pics of each weigh in (and I was at the weigh ins for Barrera II Marquez II De La Hoya and Hatton) I cannot see where there is a 12lb weight gain before he rehydrates. Thats lean muscle mass not water he put on in 9 months

agree to disagree

dude , you're basing his 12 lb. weight gain on how much he weighs in at.

there is no 12 lb. weight gain on how much he actually weighs in the ring.

there's a difference.

don't you see that?

he's just cutting less water for the weigh in. that's why he doesn't look as dehydrated at the weigh in day.

jesus.

if he puts on 12 lbs. more of mass , he would weigh 12 lbs. more fight night.

he doesn't. he weighs 3 lbs. more fight night than he did a year and 2 months before his last fight.

he weighed 144 fight night 3 years ago in morales-pacquiao 3.

that's only 4 lbs. in 3 years!

what he weighs in at is meaningless. his size is determined by how much he weighs fight night.

[gopi11]

from 130 to 142 in less than 9 months

it took Floyd years to make the same move

people in the industry see that and get su****ious its not just Sr.

So, you saying Floyd's the perfect barometer when a boxer moves up in weight? And it didn't even occur to you that we are witnessing greatness in the making right in front of our very eyes? If you are doubting Pacquiao, you should also give him the benefit of the doubt, specially when these kind of accusations are coming from a well known delusional, narcissist trainer, not to mention he's Floyd Jr.'s dad...

[gopi11]

There are a lot of reasons why people became su****ious. A lot. And like Eaner mentioned, these su****ions have been floating around for a lot longer than you think.

All speculations, not even a hint of truth nor evidence can be found. These doubters who saw Pacquiao's rise to fame in a short span of time are just looking for any reasons to discredit him or explain his meteoric rise to his boxing success. I'm not discounting Pacman isn't a user either, but I wouldn't take Floyd Sr's word if my life depended on it, he's the least qualified to say these things...

[IMDAZED]

I'm just using common sense. When Marquez and Pacquiao fought for the rematch at 130--they Lampley was surprised that Pacquiao had rehydrated 16lbs. After Lampley's comment about Pacquiao's rehydration--Steward stated that Pacquiao had roughly 7 lbs more natural muscle than Marquez. Now, what has Pacquiao been weighing-in since he moved up? --135, 142, 138. Very close to his Steward had suggested. If Pacquiao is taking steroids and getting lean muscle--he should still be increasing in weight. Those "extra" muscles still need rehydration to be useful. It hasn't happened yet.

If i'm wrong in my assessment. It's my opinion but atleast I'm showing you logic instead saying "Pacquiao be doing this all in fronT of the TV (showing a pose)....you know what that's about"..

That's ridiculous. There isn't just one kind of steroid. There are steroids for helping you lose weight too. And for speed. And injuries. ****, even better eyesight. You want to rag on Floyd Sr for his opinion but this is a man that has been around the sport since forever and is privy to a lot more than you ever will. You don't even understand what steroids are. Surprising as it may be to you, your logic is illogical.