Comments Thread For: Hearn on Canelo Matchmaking Criticism: He Can't Win! R?sum? Speaks for Itself

[DaNeutral.]

Spot on! Good Post!

Well he isn't spot on is he, Plant is Merrkkan.

[DaNeutral.]

What Hearn and Canelo needs to remember is some yanks (certainly not all) hate foreigners and can't stand to think that any foreigners can be deemed better than any American counterpart. That's why we hear the phrase "EUROBUM" and other Xenophobic terms.

These haters are 99% American. They try to get us to believe the American fighters like Charlo and Benavidez are on a whole higher level to the ppl Canelo has faced or has chosen to face and that is purely down to them being American. It certainly can't be based on resume or achievements.

[STREET CLEANER]

This is the problem, when Canelo moves tup to fight the #2 consensus LHW undefeated champion of the world someone will try to find a way to btich and cry, boxing fans are the worst, smh.

I agree with boxing fans being the worst. We don't always all have to agree but some people's criticism goes too far and they don't want to recognize or let their tender little feelings get in their way.

[MulaKO]

Promoters promote.

And Hearn likes being around greatness, it's contagious. Nothing wrong with that.

C’mon brother , he’s doing a little more than just promoting if you ask me
Promoters promote like you said , this is more like promoter has crush on his fighter

[SteveM]

Canelo is held to a different standard because he is ATG material, that's the only explanation these guys can give because if he was such a ducker and such a fighter who fights only bums why would these guys would want their favorite fighter to fight Canelo, ¿What do they gain from beating such a ducker? They don't make any sense at all.

I was slow to warm to Canelo - I thought he waited on Golovkin to age - and he did ... but Golovkin was seen as a monster at his peak so maybe that was smart to do. But since the Golokin fights Canelo has been on a tear with a few gimme fights as well.

He moved up to 168 and then 175. When he fought Kovalev the keyboard warriors asked why didn't he fight Bivol or Beterbiev?

Well now he's facing Bivol and no-one can say Bivol is past prime. Last year, No-body predicted he'd fight Bivol this year - but a few had it on their wish list and the same bashers now were saying back then that he only went to 175 to fight Kov and grab a belt and that he'd never return - but here he is back at 175

Now they are criticizing him for fighting Bivol and NOT Benavidez or Charlo or Andrade. Yet - if Bivol is so easy why haven't those 3 moved up to fight him - easy pickings at 175 - go and prove it!

[sicko]

Neither Could Mayweather!

So what you do is "STOP GIVING AF!" you can't please Miserable people happy AT ALL so why try. I love Canelo mentality at the Bivol Press Conference he was just like "I Don't Care..." and I think that is the mentality you need in boxing. Hardcore Boxing Fans are the worst and most Toxic Fans but it is a very Small Group of Fans so no he don't need OUR approval or acceptance just like Jake Paul don't and they will still draw and make their money without the "Hardcore Fans"

[Dreamking]

I completely agree his resume does speak for itself. Numerous fights at 155lbs. Setting harsh rehydration clauses, Picking fights with people below his weight class, fighting old faded champions. His resume is full of asterisks and not just because of the few robberies he got away with. However I do think the Bivol fight is his 5th serious fight and I look forward to it. Canelo UD btw.

[MPDKSAB]

lol Andrade? Andrade is one of the biggest weak links of the group and turned down more step up fights than anyone. The guy has never faced or beaten a champ in his entire career and gets staggered and rocked by lower tier fights but you're trying to prop him up vs the one who's beaten more champs than anyone?

I don't see this conversation going too far past this point so prepare to be entertained. "The biggest weak link" but GGG can't beat him actually nobody at 60 can, yet Canelo is scheduled to fight him & not Andrade. Make it make sense.. You can't. I guarantee you these "step ups" are outright lies or one sided stories & the people that beat them blatantly ran from Andrade like red head. But if you're a pessimist all you had to do was just say that.

You know what's funny? Tony Harrison was a world champ. Willie Nelson KO'd Tony, Andrade KO'd Willie, Vanes beat Willie. Andrade beat HIM too yet you won't say nothing about that. Yet if they had a belt slapped on them you'd value the wins more lol. I'd love to see you respond & address that specifically.

I keep reiterating my name is my name on here for a reason. Y'all not enlightened enough to disagree because your talking points are flimsy & easily dissected. Which is why more belts was created in boxing to impress ppl like you. He got staggered & rocked coming off a 15 month layoff against Williams. Not like that necessarily means anything but name the other fights & moments were he was staggered & rocked? Show me where you place your faith.

If the one who beat the most champs fought the one who "never beat a champ" in '15, '16, or '19 would he be the one who beat the most champs in '22? You'd have to really know boxing to know that answer cause it's obvious Canelo's privilege & blatant refusal of not having to acknowledge or fight Andrade isn't enough. But s/o to you for ignoring a large portion of what I said but harping on things that are just predicated on opinion.

Why should Canelo be held to different standard than all the other fighters? Charlo has ducked Andrade too and before that Jacobs. Benavidez has only himself to blame for losing his title not once but twice. Beterbiev and Bivol could have fought each other but for whatever reason haven't. At least Beterbiev has challenged himself with Brown and Smith.
Golovkin is done at this point.

I hope you're not referring to the Charlo Jacobs hallway incident. That's not a duck, if it's something else I need more info. Either way I've got on Charlo plenty of times. Watu said is vague. Canelo being held to a different standard could mean multiple things, you would have to expound. The Charlo one is iffy but I didn't say he ducked those dudes you named.

If you say Canelo can do what he wants or said undefeated champs have to "deserve" a fight with him. Then that's holding him to a different standard in itself. The rules have been different for him for a long time. But I never absolved dudes from fighting each other, this thread is just about Canelo. Bivol already fought Smith.

I respect your opinion and all the arguments you present however I don't care what anybody says, Andrade doesn't beat Canelo. Bivol, Beterbiev, Benavidez and Charlo has a better shot of beating Canelo, and yes Alvarez has avoided some fights but he also has the best resume and is also fighting the guys nobody else wants to fight because everybody else is waiting for a payday, Canelo is doing what everyone else should be doing, fight everyone else, so yes he gets a pass from me because he is doing what boxing is about.

But hey it's just my opinion.

Well I hope you didn't think I would expect anything different from somebody with a Canelo avi & gifs in their signature lol. I can say blindfolded that Charlo doesn't stand a better chance than Andrade. We'll see if Benavidez & Andrade can be made its 50-50 imo, his promoter don't sound too confident. I gotta re-watch tape on Bivol but I know 100% he's not a better fighter than Andrade he's just bigger. He also doesn't have a better shot than David until further notice.

I will say this, the double standard reason on not fighting Andrade applies to Bivol more than Andrade yet Bivol getting the fight. The only one I'll give you is Beterbiev & even that's subject to change cause he's up there in age.. Naa dude lol he fighting good fighters but he ain't fighting no boogeymen. Last one he fought was GGG & he really lost to Jacobs by that time. Before Canelo even said he would fight the winner of all these dudes, Andrade BEEN said they can't wait on Canelo yet he's the only one Canelo is adamant about not fighting.

David said it but only when he lost his belt & leverage. Andrade & David to a lesser extent are not waiting for paydays they can't get fights "to get to him." Everybody he fought recently somebody wanted to fight. Heard rumors of Bivol ducking Zurdo. Canelo vs any of these dudes makes more $ than any of them vs each other. That "all them waiting for a payday" is tremendously overblown.

1st off it's only so many dudes that people wanna see fight 2nd them dudes in the mix hold up fights for other guys as well. 3rd not enough blame is being placed on the networks. I understand PBC's side not matching their guys more than Dazn's. But I also don't believe that's a coincidence. Hearn never made GGG Andrade, Andrade BJS, BJS Smith. This is a deeper problem he's benefiting off of. If I had to say any fighters was waiting for a payday. I'd say Jermall, GGG, & possibly Bivol.

But we can agree to disagree.

[MulaKO]

J

I was slow to warm to Canelo - I thought he waited on Golovkin to age - and he did ... but Golovkin was seen as a monster at his peak so maybe that was smart to do. But since the Golokin fights Canelo has been on a tear with a few gimme fights as well.

He moved up to 168 and then 175. When he fought Kovalev the keyboard warriors asked why didn't he fight Bivol or Beterbiev?

Well now he's facing Bivol and no-one can say Bivol is past prime. Last year, No-body predicted he'd fight Bivol this year - but a few had it on their wish list and the same bashers now were saying back then that he only went to 175 to fight Kov and grab a belt and that he'd never return - but here he is back at 175

Now they are criticizing him for fighting Bivol and NOT Benavidez or Charlo or Andrade. Yet - if Bivol is so easy why haven't those 3 moved up to fight him - easy pickings at 175 - go and prove it!

How’s this for ageing
So once the Bivol/GGG is done , most likely will take a year
Read he’s supposed to fight that Ryder kid
Now , just read he will fight Richards , who’s supposed to be a mandatory
What about Saul , who is fighting on cinco de mayo , if he eventually beats Bivol
Beterbiev is fighting in June and if successful will have 3 trinkets
Why not call a unification fight for late Oct/Nov instead of letting Artur get 3 years older
Now don’t give me that crap about contracts cause you all say Canelo , a-side cash cow , can do wtv he wants
This would be the biggest fight of the century having already been marinating for 4/5 years now

[eco1]

How tall is Hearn he looks like he is a foot taller than Canelo in that picture

I think Hearn is 6'4'