Rankings in Different Organizations Question

[RWyatt]

I realize that the answer is probably money, deceit. political pull, etc., but is there another answer? Or at least do they claim there is an answer. In boxing, why are some boxers ranked in one Organization and not in another. For example, one could be ranked in the WBA but not the WBO OR one could be ranked in the WBO and WBA but not the IBF and so on and so on. Any idea why some boxers are not ranked in an organization when ranked in others? Thanks!!

[Silence]

This is millionth thread about that. The only reason is money.

[famicommander]

A fighter has to declare their intentions to pursue a certain body's title and then proceed along their set path. Some fighters try to be ranked in all four so they can take whatever title shot becomes available, but that comes along with more obligations (more sanctioning fees, more drug testing, different weigh in requirements, more mandatory fights, etc). Other fighters, usually the ones with a good relationship with a promoter, will focus on one. It's an open secret that the WBO does favors for Bob Arum and Frank Warren, the WBA does favors for Al Haymon and Don King, the WBC does whatever they think will make Canelo like them, and the IBF does whatever they can to derail big fights.

[Marchegiano]

I realize that the answer is probably money, deceit. political pull, etc., but is there another answer? Or at least do they claim there is an answer. In boxing, why are some boxers ranked in one Organization and not in another. For example, one could be ranked in the WBA but not the WBO OR one could be ranked in the WBO and WBA but not the IBF and so on and so on. Any idea why some boxers are not ranked in an organization when ranked in others? Thanks!!

So what these other guys say about promoters buying ranks is true, they do.

What is also true is each of these bodies have regional bodies under them with regional champions. This can be complicated.

For example, The WBC has the EBU for europe. The champion of Europe is the EBU champion. Being the EBU champion gets you a slot in the WBC top ten.

WBA, IBF, and WBO also has under or regional belts/bodies that once won automatically position the champion on the world ranking system.


In its purest form boxing is meant to have local champion on regional ratings, regional champion on world ratings, and world champions above ratings. So if you look at the WBC and WBA ratings for HW:

HEAVY – World Boxing Council (wbcboxing.com)

World Boxing Association Ranking – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com)


WBC:


TYSON FURY




Country: United Kingdom

Record: W 31 (22 KO) – L 0 – D 1

Birth Date: 12/08/1988

Pro Debut: 06/12/2008

Won Title: February 22, 2020

Last Defense: October 9, 2021

Social Media Accounts:

INTERIM CHAMPION:

DILLIAN WHYTE

SILVER: Joe Joyce (GB) / INTERNATIONAL: Vacant
RATING


PESO COMPLETO +90.719 KG / +200 LB

Deontay Wilder	US
Joe Joyce	GB	SILVER/BBBofC/COMM
Joseph Parker	New Zealand
Frank Sanchez	Cuba	CONTINENTAL AMERICAS
Andy Ruiz Jr.	Mexico/US
Luis Ortiz	Cuba
Agit Kabayel	Germany
Filip Hrgovic	Croatia
Arslanbek Makhmudov	Russia/Canada	NABF
Michael Hunter	US

See the NABF, Continental, BBBofC? Everyone of them are regional champions. Those guys have to ranked in the top ten by the world rating body.

NABF=North American Boxing Federation

Continental and Continental Americas are pretty on the nose

BBBofC=British Boxing Board of Control

COMM= Commonwealth

Silver is actually a world title, a second place world title.




WBA:

WBA SUPER CHAMPION	OLEKSANDR USYK		UKR
	WBO-IBF CHAMPION
WBA WORLD CHAMPION	TREVOR BRYAN		USA
Won Title	01-30-21

WBC TYSON FURY
1	DANIEL DUBOIS	OC	GBR
2	MICHAEL HUNTER	C/A	USA
3	ROBERT HELENIUS	GOLD	FIN
4	HUGHIE FURY		GBR
5	ANTHONY JOSHUA		GBR
6	DEONTAY WILDER		USA
7	AGIT KABAYEL	CON	GER
8	NOT RATED	#nowar
9	ZHAN KOSSOBUTSKIY		KAZ

OC=Official Challenger...mandatory.

Gold, C/A and Con are the lesser, or regional, belts that get those guys automatically rated on the WBA

Gold is actually a world title under the real champion, like a second place world champion. Well, in this case Gold is actually third man in line.

C/A Is Continental Americas

Con is Continental

#nowar is new and I'm about to make a thread on it.

[techliam]

Fighters can have affiliated regional titles, or simply haven’t fought a ranked fighter from that particular sanctioning body

Promoters often attend conventions and lobby the sanctions bodies for rankings where they can

[techliam]

So what these other guys say about promoters buying ranks is true, they do.

What is also true is each of these bodies have regional bodies under them with regional champions. This can be complicated.

For example, The WBC has the EBU for europe. The champion of Europe is the EBU champion. Being the EBU champion gets you a slot in the WBC top ten.

WBA, IBF, and WBO also has under or regional belts/bodies that once won automatically position the champion on the world ranking system.


In its purest form boxing is meant to have local champion on regional ratings, regional champion on world ratings, and world champions above ratings. So if you look at the WBC and WBA ratings for HW:

HEAVY – World Boxing Council (wbcboxing.com)

World Boxing Association Ranking – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com)


WBC:


TYSON FURY




Country: United Kingdom

Record: W 31 (22 KO) – L 0 – D 1

Birth Date: 12/08/1988

Pro Debut: 06/12/2008

Won Title: February 22, 2020

Last Defense: October 9, 2021

Social Media Accounts:

INTERIM CHAMPION:

DILLIAN WHYTE

SILVER: Joe Joyce (GB) / INTERNATIONAL: Vacant
RATING


PESO COMPLETO +90.719 KG / +200 LB

Deontay Wilder	US
Joe Joyce	GB	SILVER/BBBofC/COMM
Joseph Parker	New Zealand
Frank Sanchez	Cuba	CONTINENTAL AMERICAS
Andy Ruiz Jr.	Mexico/US
Luis Ortiz	Cuba
Agit Kabayel	Germany
Filip Hrgovic	Croatia
Arslanbek Makhmudov	Russia/Canada	NABF
Michael Hunter	US

See the NABF, Continental, BBBofC? Everyone of them are regional champions. Those guys have to ranked in the top ten by the world rating body.


WBA:

WBA SUPER CHAMPION	OLEKSANDR USYK		UKR
	WBO-IBF CHAMPION
WBA WORLD CHAMPION	TREVOR BRYAN		USA
Won Title	01-30-21

WBC TYSON FURY
1	DANIEL DUBOIS	OC	GBR
2	MICHAEL HUNTER	C/A	USA
3	ROBERT HELENIUS	GOLD	FIN
4	HUGHIE FURY		GBR
5	ANTHONY JOSHUA		GBR
6	DEONTAY WILDER		USA
7	AGIT KABAYEL	CON	GER
8	NOT RATED	#nowar
9	ZHAN KOSSOBUTSKIY		KAZ

OC, and C/A, I believe are just designations. OC=Official Challenger...mandatory.

Gold and Con are the lesser, regional, belts that get those guys automatically rated on the WBA


#nowar is new and I'm about to make a thread on it.

I believe C/A is continental Americas, another regional body for the WBA

[Marchegiano]

I believe C/A is continental Americas, another regional body for the WBA

My bad, thank you, making the correction.

[RWyatt]

Thank you all so much for your responses!! I really appreciate it!