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I realize that the answer is probably money, deceit. political pull, etc., but is there another answer? Or at least do they claim there is an answer. In boxing, why are some boxers ranked in one Organization and not in another. For example, one could be ranked in the WBA but not the WBO OR one could be ranked in the WBO and WBA but not the IBF and so on and so on. Any idea why some boxers are not ranked in an organization when ranked in others? Thanks!!
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This is millionth thread about that. The only reason is money. -
A fighter has to declare their intentions to pursue a certain body's title and then proceed along their set path. Some fighters try to be ranked in all four so they can take whatever title shot becomes available, but that comes along with more obligations (more sanctioning fees, more drug testing, different weigh in requirements, more mandatory fights, etc). Other fighters, usually the ones with a good relationship with a promoter, will focus on one. It's an open secret that the WBO does favors for Bob Arum and Frank Warren, the WBA does favors for Al Haymon and Don King, the WBC does whatever they think will make Canelo like them, and the IBF does whatever they can to derail big fights.Comment
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So what these other guys say about promoters buying ranks is true, they do.
What is also true is each of these bodies have regional bodies under them with regional champions. This can be complicated.
For example, The WBC has the EBU for europe. The champion of Europe is the EBU champion. Being the EBU champion gets you a slot in the WBC top ten.
WBA, IBF, and WBO also has under or regional belts/bodies that once won automatically position the champion on the world ranking system.
In its purest form boxing is meant to have local champion on regional ratings, regional champion on world ratings, and world champions above ratings. So if you look at the WBC and WBA ratings for HW:
HEAVY – World Boxing Council (wbcboxing.com)
World Boxing Association Ranking – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com)
WBC:
TYSON FURY
Country: United Kingdom
Record: W 31 (22 KO) – L 0 – D 1
Birth Date: 12/08/1988
Pro Debut: 06/12/2008
Won Title: February 22, 2020
Last Defense: October 9, 2021
Social Media Accounts:
INTERIM CHAMPION:
DILLIAN WHYTE
SILVER: Joe Joyce (GB) / INTERNATIONAL: Vacant
RATING
PESO COMPLETO +90.719 KG / +200 LBSee the NABF, Continental, BBBofC? Everyone of them are regional champions. Those guys have to ranked in the top ten by the world rating body.Deontay Wilder US Joe Joyce GB SILVER/BBBofC/COMM Joseph Parker New Zealand Frank Sanchez Cuba CONTINENTAL AMERICAS Andy Ruiz Jr. Mexico/US Luis Ortiz Cuba Agit Kabayel Germany Filip Hrgovic Croatia Arslanbek Makhmudov Russia/Canada NABF Michael Hunter US
NABF=North American Boxing Federation
Continental and Continental Americas are pretty on the nose
BBBofC=British Boxing Board of Control
COMM= Commonwealth
Silver is actually a world title, a second place world title.
WBA:WBA SUPER CHAMPION OLEKSANDR USYK UKR WBO-IBF CHAMPION WBA WORLD CHAMPION TREVOR BRYAN USA Won Title 01-30-21 OC=Official Challenger...mandatory.WBC TYSON FURY 1 DANIEL DUBOIS OC GBR 2 MICHAEL HUNTER C/A USA 3 ROBERT HELENIUS GOLD FIN 4 HUGHIE FURY GBR 5 ANTHONY JOSHUA GBR 6 DEONTAY WILDER USA 7 AGIT KABAYEL CON GER 8 NOT RATED #nowar 9 ZHAN KOSSOBUTSKIY KAZ
Gold, C/A and Con are the lesser, or regional, belts that get those guys automatically rated on the WBA
Gold is actually a world title under the real champion, like a second place world champion. Well, in this case Gold is actually third man in line.
C/A Is Continental Americas
Con is Continental
#nowar is new and I'm about to make a thread on it.Last edited by Marchegiano; 03-06-2022, 06:46 PM.Comment
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Fighters can have affiliated regional titles, or simply haven’t fought a ranked fighter from that particular sanctioning body
Promoters often attend conventions and lobby the sanctions bodies for rankings where they canComment
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I believe C/A is continental Americas, another regional body for the WBA
So what these other guys say about promoters buying ranks is true, they do.
What is also true is each of these bodies have regional bodies under them with regional champions. This can be complicated.
For example, The WBC has the EBU for europe. The champion of Europe is the EBU champion. Being the EBU champion gets you a slot in the WBC top ten.
WBA, IBF, and WBO also has under or regional belts/bodies that once won automatically position the champion on the world ranking system.
In its purest form boxing is meant to have local champion on regional ratings, regional champion on world ratings, and world champions above ratings. So if you look at the WBC and WBA ratings for HW:
HEAVY – World Boxing Council (wbcboxing.com)
World Boxing Association Ranking – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com)
WBC:
TYSON FURY
Country: United Kingdom
Record: W 31 (22 KO) – L 0 – D 1
Birth Date: 12/08/1988
Pro Debut: 06/12/2008
Won Title: February 22, 2020
Last Defense: October 9, 2021
Social Media Accounts:
INTERIM CHAMPION:
DILLIAN WHYTE
SILVER: Joe Joyce (GB) / INTERNATIONAL: Vacant
RATING
PESO COMPLETO +90.719 KG / +200 LBSee the NABF, Continental, BBBofC? Everyone of them are regional champions. Those guys have to ranked in the top ten by the world rating body.Deontay Wilder US Joe Joyce GB SILVER/BBBofC/COMM Joseph Parker New Zealand Frank Sanchez Cuba CONTINENTAL AMERICAS Andy Ruiz Jr. Mexico/US Luis Ortiz Cuba Agit Kabayel Germany Filip Hrgovic Croatia Arslanbek Makhmudov Russia/Canada NABF Michael Hunter US
WBA:WBA SUPER CHAMPION OLEKSANDR USYK UKR WBO-IBF CHAMPION WBA WORLD CHAMPION TREVOR BRYAN USA Won Title 01-30-21 WBC TYSON FURY 1 DANIEL DUBOIS OC GBR 2 MICHAEL HUNTER C/A USA 3 ROBERT HELENIUS GOLD FIN 4 HUGHIE FURY GBR 5 ANTHONY JOSHUA GBR 6 DEONTAY WILDER USA 7 AGIT KABAYEL CON GER 8 NOT RATED #nowar 9 ZHAN KOSSOBUTSKIY KAZ
OC, and C/A, I believe are just designations. OC=Official Challenger...mandatory.
Gold and Con are the lesser, regional, belts that get those guys automatically rated on the WBA
#nowar is new and I'm about to make a thread on it.
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Thank you all so much for your responses!! I really appreciate it!Comment
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